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I feel like a truck hit me! In my endevour to train with as many different teachers as I can I picked a tough one last night! A Former MMA fighter. This is the first non BJJ guy I have trained with and the first thing I found out is BJJ should do a much better job training aginst heel hooks. I took him down he pulled guard I stood up to pass and he whipped on a heel hook I spun once for show then taped. He was real good at keeping it safe and I was amazed at his skill not being a BJJ guy. But what hurt me the most was His level of fitness far exceeded my own. I did manage to guilotine him from my halfguard but I did not know it untill after he made me tap, then he told me I had him, that he blacked out for a little bit then came back...He smiled and said he never taps. I rolled with him for an hour straight and get this because it is a kickboxing school I did this on carpet and now I have some lovley burns But it was very cool to train out of my element and I learned from it and that is what it is all about!

My training partner is 255-260 after meals, and I am 180, the best thing to do is give him the americana fast and hit the counter now your ready to jump on the big guys back. The counter: as soon as he locks it punch your arm streight your shoulder should come close to your ear. Then turn your hips away from him and go to your knees then take his back!

can you teach it where you act just like a buisness get you insurence, charge a fee, pay your taxes, and advertise or do you have to do it under the table?

Has anyone started their school in their garage or teaches there now? What do you have to look out for if you start this way?

He was also training with eddie bravo before this fight and with his long lean fram his rubber guard is got to be tight.

I am in the planning phase of my school and would like to hear any advice on how you set up your kids class. Does it turn into a day care situation were the kids are at your school long after your hour class. DO you need anything special to teach kids like HRS cert., Do you have to pick them up?

Big guys with little skill are easy to take down and ware out. If they get on you go from a shoulder lock to an omaplata. My prob. is that my training partner is 6"4 260 and in shape while I am only 5'10 185. He is strong enough to force my arm to the ground any time he gets a hold of it. When he set up his key lock he keeps all his weight on me an keeps tight so escape is tricky. I have been working on a no gi spyder guard just to free my hands but when they have more size and equal skill it is tough, but when you get someone your own size you feel like its your birthday!

I have seen a lot of fights in my day and never saw a single guy or girl out fight a pack. If you are attacked and can not get away your best bet is to curl up and wait for them to get tired of kicking you. The best example I saw was were this guy was behind a group of highschool kids in a drivethru lane and wanted to force the car in front to stop talking to some girls and move. He got out of his car and yelled for the car to move in an agressive manner. Big mistake because that little car was full of six juiced gang members called the Force. He took a real pritty Karate stance while the six kids hit him like a pack of wolves. If you get hit by a battle tested group and you are by your self you are done before the first hit and if you think you got a shot you and your instructor have been watching too many kung fu movies. So you should spend all your time training to fight one on one because most fights are one on one and they are the only fights you got a shot of winning. If one attacker have fun, get bloody, more than one run for cover. As My dad an ex-Navy Seal likes to say: You don't have to like it, you just have to do it.

Some people pick things up faster and in different ways. For me It was not the moves in the books vs those taught in the class it was the amount of time and effort you put trying to do them on the mat. I devour books and dvds and have used outside instruction more often than moves taught in class because I look for moves that fit me so I will use a set up move for an ankle crank that even though they wont teach those moves in my class due to the level. The good thing is that on the mat I can work on what I want so I do. It is not what you train but how you train.

I want to open a submission wrestling,traditional wrestling and self-defense school and bring in guest instructors as often as possible to add to what I can teach. What should I look out for? Does each instructor need to be cpr cert. Is just one enough? I have plenty of equity to draw on so should I lease in store front or should I still start of in a church or school type location? What type of ins. coverge would I need for church,school, community center, vs retail location? I also have a job that allows me to get done at three in the afternoon so I could offer after school kids class and other night classes. I plan to keep my day job for the first 6-12 months for stability and teach a saturday class. Are there special requirements for teaching kids? I trained in BJJ for six months and train in different schools everytime I go out of town. I trained at Eddie Bravo's school in Hollywood last Dec. but I believe that people would get more out of their training if a grappling class was taught like a sport and not like a triditional martial art. At least in the USA and that is what I hope to prove by opening my school. Would being cert. as a personal trainer or group trainer help with Insurance when running a school? What about contracts and waivers any advice? I have gained so much from all your help thank You.

We worked on taking the back from the lockdown. The London( but I was not flexable enough). Also went from mission control to armbar. T the first guy I rolled aginst was a Machado purple belt, he guiltined me right off the bat. But I did ok with the other two guys , not better than just did not have to tap.

I trained with Eddie Bravo while on vaction. His school is in West Hollywood at the Bomb Squad Gym. He let me join his class for a cheap drop in fee and before I knew it i was rolling next to one of my idols. COOL! Eddie is a great teacher, very friendly and the guys under him were very skilled. I would recomend if near LA you should stop by. I can't wait to go back and that is saying a lot because I have to fly from florida to cali. with my two yr old who hates to sit down for more than ten min. let alone five hours on a plane.

I still am not convinced that using a gi adds any value to your submission game outside of gi compatitions. And all the examples for the gi still sound weak because nothing that a gi brings adds more value when met by using similar training in no gi. If you want better defense you work on the best no gi defense if you want better offense you work on no gi offense and so on. As to overall self-defense no gi style prepares you better for a fast and agressive attack witch is more like a real fight then the gi stlye witch is more like a game of chess where the person who can plan more moves ahead of the other is the one most likly to win.

I never thought you were anything but polite. And The more you train the better you are. My thought were just based on my experienced with wrestliers and those on my bigginers BJJ class and what I have found is that those who just learn from their class and only train in their class can be beat by those who train hard outside of class.

Why I agree with most of what you say, I just do the math different. I am adding speed and strength for the wrestlier and subtracting holds for leverage, holds for attacking, and holds for defense that the BJJ fighter depends on. It is like always driving a stick then moving to an automatic you tend to look for something that is gone due to the years of muscle memory. I do think that the perfect fighter is equal experience in wrestling for takedowns and mat transition, BJJ ( no gi ) for submissions (due to their inclusive development using sambo and judo) and tuy boxing for striking.

There are no mediocre belts just teachers and student my teacher got his belts from Rolls and then Carlinios the son of Carlos Gracie, so if that is the system they feel is right it works for me. Also every student is different. If lets say you go to 4 classes a weak and nothing else and I only go to one class but cross train to help my cardio and study moves and counters daily then roll with my brother who is 6'4 250 lbs and I am 5'10 185 lbs, and he knows all my moves because i show him, who is to say I am not better than you. Being a better grapplier is not just skill or Royce and other BJJ guys would still be the best but they are not because the triangle and arm bar are not a secret anymore so now it is about the total of your skill, conditioning, heart, and experience and you can get all those outside of your class but if you add them to your class you will beat higher belts with ease.

A good place to start is contact a highschool wrestling coach or colledge coach near you by phone or go to a meet, they would know of the nearest clubs or people willing to workout with you. It is also not that hard to get a wrestling book or instruction dvd and just watch and practice. I am always trying things I see in books and on dvd's and most of the moves are easy to do without any instruction from a real person.

at 5 month in you probably dont do many takedown just penatration steps to a standing double leg which I hate as a wrestlier I love the knee drop or the low single both work well at avoiding the guilotine choke. In the Drop Knee you get in close like your going to clinch then drop down to both knees pulling one leg in between tightly then push your shoulder into the inside of the knee and turn your body into his other leg push your shoulder down towards the ground. The low single leg or ankle pick you shoot in as low as you can grab behind the heel and push your shoulder just above his knee. keep your feet moving and drive foword untill he falls then spin to the outside for side mount.

I still dont see any real advantage to training in a gi if you are interested in mma and no gi events. If the gi was such a plus then why do so many bjj guys get stomped by great wrestliers like Huges, severn, shamrock, kerr, and the like, all guys who never used the gi and added submissions much later in life. BJJ, which I love is no different than Judo, as long as there is a Gi they will rule because they live in their gi's but in no gi comp. it has no value. The reasons i here are, it teaches them better tec. and adds to their skill. I think you train the most in your sport to be the best in your sport ask Mike Jordan about baseball. So if you want to be better at no gi then that is the style you need to train in.

not yet a blue belt yet but when it was explained after a meeting with all gracie barr schools work like this: you get a stripe every 25 classes after a hundred classes you can test for your blue and the same pattern for your purple. They did not explain how brown and black, we are a beginner class.

thank you all, I value all your insight and plan on finding out as much as i can before i get the cash rolling. I think it is great the there is a place like this where those who have done it help others who want to follow in their footsteps.

I have asked about opening a new school and took the advise i have gotten. I was interested in more of a fitness and defense school where i could have more experienced teachers from different styles along with fitness instructors teaching the classes and i could teach a bigginers class. I have looked into the cost of ins. rent and other overhead and it is a lot. you would need at least a hundred students at the average $40. membership just to cover expenses. How do people stay a float?

I wrestled in Jh and highschool and now I am close to getting my blue belt in BJJ But my dream is to open up a submission wrestling scool. I love teaching more than training and was getting my degree in education untill I found out I could make more money cleaning swimming pools in Florida than teaching and do it with out parents calling a lawer because little jonny didn't get an A in history. My 5yr plan is to get at least my purple belt and compete in tourneys for proper experience then look deeply into the buisness side. Any advice from people who run submission wrestling school and other teachers would be greatly acepted.

I think it depends on how your class trains you. The cool thing about BJJ is that you do a lot of live training I think it is the live traing that makes this style more effective in a real fight. Try hitting strikes and submissions when your in a stress situation like a real fight and you might freeze. Live traing teaches you to relax even though some one is trying to choke you. If you train in live traing then most of your moves are already battle tested. Like the navy seals say: "those who bleed the most in training cause the most bloodshed in combat", something like that, my dad was a seal and they love mottos! My fave is " you don't have to like it, you just have to do it".

yes Marcio is the big guy. I train at his Orlando school. I know I can ask any of our guys I was just making conversation and thought I would see what others like.