Hi Here is my thoughts on the subject. I hate karate clubs, well some of them, why? The group mentality - ur a low life if ur not my belt kinda of attidue The hardman mentality The unfriendlyness and the lies The year assocaiation feees the sucking up to the tudor competitions false confidence - i am hard now I am brue - yeah baby call me bruce. You have to train according to the rytheme of the class not ablity or age. favouratisim - u know the instructor has a tinkle for a student and in no time there are a black belt while you remain yellow . What I like about karate clubs a place to train meet new people learn all sort of karate applications Learn the katas so I can do them at home. Gets me out of the house. Makes me fit I get rid of all the tension get rid of the aggression I sleep like a baby and my wife loves me more so. So when some guy or girl basically says hey u have not trained hard enough. Well brother erm sister, shut it. Oops aggression there. I have just come from work, looked after the kids and I am a bit tired and I cannot be like bruce. Its like this - I just get tired. when I go to karate i go to get fit, to enjoy it, not to be humilated, not be talked to like a dog, not to be insulted, or beaten up and not to be disollutioned. Now I do not go to an offical karate club for the above reasons. - I do not care about the black belt - I wear one every time I go to the shop or work, and it feels good. When I am not lazy or looking after the kids I pratice the katas I know in my back garden. I do not wear the karate gi, it too restrictive and it make me look like a prat outside of the dojo. I just got fed up of the club mentality and it started to drain on me - I lost sight of why I was training - I train for me, I train to keep fit, I train because I love karate, I could not careless about the club or the belt. Sometimes people who look down on people are doing that becaues they themselves feel inferior. Most of us have a life outside the karate club, - I just wish I could find a club I can settle down with - alas it will never happen I fear. Question if you know u would never send ur kids to the club to train its time to find another club to train. I think people who go to a club and do not put 100% into it is their business - they probably had a hard day at the office - just tired, can not be bother or lazy, it s up to them either way they are there to train some they must be doing something and to be screamed at for not doing it a particalar way defeats the object. best wishes