Thanks for the post just knowing the correct spelling of stuff helps me alot with search engines. One of the better instructers has come back this week and he tells me that it is quite an obscure form and a mix of several different forms - including : Shotokan, Wado, Shorin Ryu, some other sei form and one or two moves taken from other forms. Looking around the forums i don't recognise most of the kata names. I'm not sure what Kobudo is so i don't know? The Ishin kata is the second of the slightly more advanced katas for brown belt. It starts off in Shiko Dachi with a Barai palm Hiraken type block(might be Shoteuke), Ushiro Empi then jodan palm strike to the left, the same again to the right then up into Nekoashi dachi and block jodan sukui uke and front foot maegeri chudan drop into deep kamaeto with a groin grasp and the other hand resting on your shoulder then switching to kokutsu dachi and changing and twisting hand positions, basically ripping their balls off and holding them in the air. the same is repeated to the right, then back up into Yoi with a knee block and same leg maegeri then spinning on 1 leg into the opposite yoi and Ushiro empi then 2 tension sukui uke blocks in some weird box stance. I've just realised how long this is going to take to write (and read). Anyway, then back leg maegeri into Kamade grasp and hizageri then spinning into Nekoashi Dachi with a Shuto block, then 2 tension Neon Nukite techniques (your last chance for a breather) then, with no pauses, back leg sokuto then turning to face to other corner you do a focused inward kentsui (like a sotouke block but you strike jodan instead) then a proper jodan kentsui, Kyten Kentsui, yokogeri jodan and turning the opposite way into deep Kamaeto blocking jujiuke gedan, Hiraken neck strike with the other hand covering your forehead, short pause into Kumade grasp, hizageri to the face, supported back break (i.e grabbing the belt with the right hand and ****a Empi to the lower back) and then into Shiko Dachi and throwing the opponent to the side and finally another tension cross fist technique in Yoi (probably for grabbing two canes and forcing their holders to the floor) Sound familiar ? It's a great kata, i really enjoy doing it, it's got a nice feel and flow to it that i haven't done justice to here. ----- Woah, that's a lot of text. It's good practice though, for when i have to start describing the katas for my site. Thanks man. --------------------------------- The Swear word filter strikes again - SHlTA EMPI [ This Message was edited by: chris luckcuck on 2002-04-02 16:01 ]