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ok, that was truly bland of me I will explain my comment. I think u should go with Japanese jujitsu because its the closest japanese grappling art to karate. Jujitsu teaches the core techniques that make up the arts of Aikido, and Judo - aikido emphasizes on the small joint manipulations of jujitsu, and momentum to help these along. Judo is the perfected art of throwing techniques from jujitsu. Jujitsu contains material covered in both arts plus striking very similar to Karate, including the footwork used. It should be an easy transition from Karate into Japanese Jujitsu, and a very hard transition into Brazilian Jujitsu or aikido.

one word: jujitsu

Judo was born from jujitsu. In the competitive arena, judokas usually have the upper advantage in throws and agressive moves. Jujitsu is usually better at joint manipulation. Both are around the same in groundfighting game. Both are amazing arts, and one is not better than the other. If you are looking for competition and lots of exercise and agressive moves - judo. If you want joint manipulation, dangerous moves and some karate-like movements - jujitsu is for you.

I still think we're deviating from the topic at hand though. Can aikido be employed against people that are willing to fight back? What would be the most effective techniques to use? and finally, how would u train ur student so he doesnt forget his training in the heat of a real fight? I'm all for randori teaching students to react instead of following a list of techniques however, what do you do when you face an agressive grappler willing to fight back?

So much for trying to mold your students the way you want to... You wont understand Budo by yourself out of nothing; not even with a teacher telling you the spirit of budo is this or that, to really grasp what a confrontation, a duel, a fight is, it develops through personal experience. aikido has the spirit of Budo in it, but it is almost impossible to tell your student that you understand what a real fight is because you have FOUGHT before and thus you understand how rough it can all be, then propose to teach how to become as adept in the martial art but that if he wants to be truly good, he must seek to not fight or hurt his opponent. he wont get it, because that person has 2 different insights: 1. fighting made me understand and develop to where i am in this martial art. 2. peace and not hurting ur opponent makes u a better martial artist.

There is. All martial arts were originally combative. However that doesn't mean that all martial arts schools practice to prepare for self defense or combat anymore. I have a problem with the original comment, because judo was designed to be able to use in competition, but the aim was to make it effective in any situation (even in fights). you dont have to add much strikes to judo to make judo effective in a fight - hitting the ground after a throw puts much more pressure on ur body than a kick or a punch. combat aikido, well, u can refer to aikijujitsu, which has the same techniques, but in a more agressive apporach, or "REAL AIKIDO", which is a russian interpretation of how the style should be used in actual fights. As to Taichi, it is one of the styles from China that has been "watered down" over time, since people dont train for the fighting applications; people dont want to train their body parts for impact, they wont train to withstand hits, they wont train to perfect their energy emanations or as I'd like to put it, correct biomechanic movements while in fighting. and also, Taichi has grappling in it, and most people dont know how to apply the moves.... the only mainstream videos ive seen regarding this is Master Wong up in England, look him up.

ninjitsu uses aiki-jujitsu as the base for its martial arts -aikijujitsu is a secret martial art that was passed down in secret UNTIL the Takeda family disseminated the Takeda Ryu(aikijujitsu) to outsiders. While ninjitsu developed on its own, from aikijujitsu, Aikido was developed by a man that felt that some spiritual aspects should replace the harsh teachings(in part ) of budo. So, while maintaining the harsh training of budo, but with the intention of being in harmony and not harming the opponent, aikido was born. Judo was born from jujitsu schools, and the development by jigoro kano. His studies made him conclude that without making the opponent to be off balance, one would not be able to effectively perform a throw.

Despite what people might say, aikido and aikijujitsu can be quite effective in and out of the dojo, however, all i find for aikido competition is that when paired with a non-compliant opponent, aikido turns into judo-like wrestling. How does one apply aikido or aikijujitsu against a non-compliant opponent? Anyone can clear this up for me?

I've always been one to say that one should take the time to actually learn a style, and become good at it, before actually trying to say u KNOW about a style. Learn the correct dynamics, then put them to the test. Very few mixed martial art instructors can actually pass their knowledge to create new mixed martial artists that actually dominate the material they need in different areas. The ones that CAN pass their knowledge on actually have a curriculum they pass on to their students, much like traditional martial arts, so important material doesnt get lost and forgotten in class. Also, there are fighters, and then there are fighters. MMAs can actually be quite similar to Traditional Martial Arts in the sense that if you dont train as you should, with the best of teachers, u will get beaten and you will lose. Thats why we see some fighting gems and a lot of burning coal(they push on, but have no actual skill) Thats just my opinion though.

my teacher doesnt believe in set forms. we have to make them up from the basic postures and movements he teaches... its harder to perform, but it comes more natural, or so he says... i personally like set forms and then performing on my own.

ive barely started training formally in Wing Chun Kali. I'm with one of the students of Sifu Ramon Diaz in Puerto Rico. Sorry, dont really know his lineage.

not bad...

Sorry for them, but Aikido can be taught as self defense IF you practice practical applications. In my school, I've taken Aikido concepts and applied them to the techniques we have. If you keep training to fight a swordsman, you might do well if u ever find him, however, it wont help much against punches and kicks.... But isnt this going way off topic??

i think the founder of Kyokushin made it become literal. He became a fighting machine that could not be blocked and would render anyone impotent against such force. But, we also have to remember the harsh training a karate-ha had to overcome so that when he found someone without martial arts skill, one blow could kill them. you train to become hard and hit even harder. you become sword-like, a breathing weapon that has the potential to kill with a single strike.

Come on, somebody must know a way to train for "feeling out" an opponent, even when u cant see them. Anyone up for sharing?

empty your cup: funny that the jackie chan/jet li movie couldnt have explained it better! "I want to learn "this" and "that" because I saw it! It would be awesome to be able to do "this"! What is the name of that move?? Will I be able to do this? " Empty your cup: have no expectations, live for today, practice and stop wishing you could get better- start training and be content knowing you are never a "full master" but always a student in different stages of life.

Personally I think that looking at the chest is the wrong thing to do. Most beginners will instinctively look where they are blocking and punching, but in doing so they are closing off their field of vision. As we progress through the ranks our training steers us away from this habit. For example do you focus your eyesight at chest level when performing Kata? No of course not. It's akin to blindfolding yourself really. But I guess if it works for you then why not. I dont do kata for fighting... our style is a lot closer to Kickboxing so even our kata is only designed to show you know a Traditionally Based Martial Art- not just a sport fighter. I do wish I could learn to use KAta-like movements for fighting, but right now, I havent had time to practice it enough...

i tend to look at the chest - it not only allows to use peripheral vision, but u can also determine which of the opponent's attacks are likely to hit u, and which aren't. u can also pick where you will attack from since u know what angles are less likely to be protected. but i dont want to have to think, I want to know and react!

anyone else have any other training tips for "sensing" an opponent?

well, u shouldnt fight hard unless you have some good ma or mma experience. remember that sparring, and drills are not the same as fighting. you do drills and sparring to get a "feel" of what a fight really is about, then you try it for real. eventually you work yourself up to sparring and/or fighting at a higher level. as for the training drills, yes, i think you should have someone different every time so you expect something different every time you practice a move and prevent urself from getting too comfortable with someone.

What I did perform in my short Bagua introduction was the circle-walking, with the palms to the center of the circle where my opponent would be. I attended a presentation about Bagua that was mostly an American speaking about when he lived with a Bagua master "in China" (it was in the '90s, so it may or may not have been Taiwan). His single demonstration of a Bagua technique is something you could spend months on, circling around his opponent, palming down ("massaging" as he called it) the opponent's protective arm while smacking him on top of his head, and the opponent just couldn't get an arm up to protect himself without it being palmed down, so his head kept getting smacked; even trying to turn away was no escape, as the Bagua presenter/attacker would circle around him--this way and that--to deliver more "massages" and head smacks. The friend I attended the presentation with had a Taiji instructor who introduced him to some Bagua, and whose explanation of the "palm" in Bagua was anything from the fingertips to the elbow to whack at your opponent. My friend showed me a move his instructor had showed him; it had a Bagua strike which was like a forearm slam (the outer side of the forearm) against the side of your head. the walking is a bit more complicated than just walking in a circle - the feet must turn in a certain way, the torso has to be turned to the center of the circle so the arms protect you from the front, not your side, there's also alignment issues(so u dont hurt your knees and/or back). and yeah, depending on the style of the baguazhang system, there are a variety of finger jabs, throws, chin na, strikes, elbows, knees, kicks, and every style has its own trademark moves from footwork to combat strategy.

Look up baguazhang. baguazhang is a style which is based around walking in circles. there are chinese throws, chin na, pressure points, and HEAVY weapon training( most bagua weapons are bigger than usual) Contact in bagua consists of strong movements- most applications have linear forms.

I'll say it again... Kata is for karate - FORM is the name the chinese use(Yes, the meanings are the same) Also, why use karate uniforms, if you are practising kung fu?? historically it can be excused, but formally it is frowned upon. 3rd, no one, and I mean NO ONE can master ALL the forms in Kung Fu. Besides, it would be pointless, you learn the form, to develop your own form afterwards, your own unique movement. 4th, Baguazhang is not shaolin, Taichi is not shaolin, Hsing I is not shaolin.... Shaolin is Buddhist - Taichi, bagua and xing yi are taoist arts.... If you can in fact use the material you have learned, I congratulate you in your training, but know that its a mix of styles and not original material directly descendant of the Shaolin Temple, you can do research on your own to verify this.

go to a doctor... and STOP GETTING HIT

I dont think styles have "faults" to them, but they do have people that dont teach correctly, and obviously people that train correctly in front of the teacher and badly when by themselves. you should go to other schools, but not just so you try to learn everything they have- the most important thing you have to learn from another style is how to counter what they do, with what you have. that simple. you learn their weak spots, and IF one or two moves could help improve ur movements, adapt it to your most comfortable style, whatever u like best. If you try to learn 2000 techniques, it is very likely you will have 5 good ones and 1995 sloppy techniques. Pace yourself, and get comfortable with a certain type of movement, not 10 different styles with completely different strategies.