NotQuiteDead

http://www.yorkjitsu.org/jitsu/techniques/locks/wrist.html

What? I think you're misunderstanding me. Weaponless said: By saying that he stated that jiu-jitsu techniques don't use the opponents force against them, and it sounded like he thinks aikido is unique in that it doesn't fight force with force. It's not- even in wrestling (a style that is often thought of a contest of strength by people who know nothing about it) you use the opponent's force against him whenever possible. Using the opponent's force against them is found in a lot of styles and doesn't make aikido unique.

I asked weaponless because he seems to think that aikido is the only art that teaches you to go with the opponent's force. It's not.

Can you name a style that emphasises going out of your way to fight force with force?

Again, I've never trained in aikido. Just thought I'd make sure that was clear. The only ground techniques I've seen in aikido were the finishing 'pins' that are done after ikkyo/ikkajo etc. and suwari-waza, which are done when both people are on their knees facing eachother. Are there any aikido techniques for escaping pins commonly seen in other grappling styles?

Wrestlers usually pick up submissions really fast. I've been training in submission wrestling for about a year and a half (off and on, although even when I wasn't attending classes I practiced with a guy who had been training as long as I had) and I wrestled for a couple months, but when I grappled a four-time state champion wrestler I only tapped him once, and he was on top the entire time. He even tapped me a few times using something somewhere between a neck crank and just squeezing my head and jaw as hard as he could. That was only his second or third submission lesson.

If the classes are small then that is a good thing IMO. Big classes mean less time rolling (unless the room is massive and has mats everywhere) and the instructor(s) won't be able to help you out as much.

True, but Maddwraph asked how to avoid the guillotine lol. I only tried that double leg variation once in practice, and one of the coaches got mad at me because he thought it was just a sloppy double leg... I couldn't get it to work very well either so I just stuck with a normal double with the outside trip finish.

One variation of the double leg that I learned in wrestling is what the coach called an "olympic double". Instead of putting your head outside their hip, you put your head on their chest or stomach, wrap your forearms around the backs of their knees, and drive straight into them. You'll probably end up in their full guard but you can avoid the guillotine.

Here's a pic of the twister: http://www.bjj.com.au/images/the_twister/thetwister10.jpg In wrestling, the "guillotine" is used as a pin but Bravo started using it (along with the banana splits) as a submissions. A lot of people think he's some kind of genius but really anyone who has ever wrestled and decided to look for painful moves in wrestling could find those a lot more. http://www.phoenix.k12.ny.us/jcb/sports/wrestling/Here_comes_the_Guillotine.jpg

I could make a demo video of me fighting against 30 people with ak47's but in a fight against more than one person, even if they were unarmed, I'd probably be screwed. Demos don't mean anything. If you want to see how an art is used, watch people who have been training in it spar/grapple/whatever with full resistance.

Of course it's a grappling art, just a very incomplete one. You do know that those are demos, right?

If you want to learn to blend your striking and grappling, mma would be your best bet. Do you want to learn to grapple in a gi? If so, do bjj, judo, or sombo (although they don't use a gi, the kurtka is like it). Do you want to learn to grapple without the gi? Then look for submission wrestling or no-gi bjj. The MMA classes would probably teach you submission wrestling. Try everything out and stick with what you liked best.

Karo doesn't just use judo. Yes he uses a lot of judo in his fights which is nice to see, but it wasn't "judo vs bjj".

I'm guessing he means something like these: http://www.martialartsinternational.co.uk/prod_detail.asp?prod_ID=1996&main_cat=120&page=Search%20results I've never used them so I'm not sure, though. You might also just try wearing socks.