DunDunna

okay so ones a business trademark, other than that are they not the same fighting art? being a trademark has nothing to do with techniques and that is what we're talking about isnt it?

WC and WT are exactly the same thing. the same as wing chun, wing tsun, ving tsun, they are all the same, just different spelling thats it. just like tai chi, and taiji. they are all pronounced the same (at least they SHOULD be) the 'ts' in chinese is pronounced "CH". for instance theres a chinese beer names "Tsing Tao" and the pronounciation is "ching dao"

i have used wing chun in a couple of instances. one was in a street fight, i took the guy down and held him for the police. others were against other martial artists. some i won some i lost.

"It is also a good point of reference for footwork training and drilling in my experience but I've never heard of anyone actually fighting from/in this stance. Who do you train under?" this implies that you thought i did - sorry if i was wrong. as for the video- i have downloading a ton of his vids, he always starts in goat stance, never from wing chun stance. i'm not getting angry about anything, and i am not saying that anyone;s style is wrong. as i stated from the start - if thats how you train and it works for you then great, its not how i train and there is no point in arguing about it.

heres a vid i found in about 3 seconds on google http://www.wtny.com/gallery/video/sifu_emin_defense.mpg

again, the point has been missed. i DONT train like that - but have seen it. for the most obvious and available source look up Emin Boztepe, he was taught by Leung Ting and he fights from goat stance, and loves to video tape choreographed fights and put them on the net.

i just looked at that old thread - it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people that think an attacking dog is going to sit there and allow you to kick them or "drive their nose bone through their brain" LOL if people spent half the time finding out how dogs REALLY attack that they do making up rediculous theories about how to fend off a dog attack they would realize how dumb they sound!

i have had this same discussion on another MA board. if a dog attacks or charges you the best thing you can do is stand your ground and in a loud voice yell "NO!" if the dog persists - pray to whatever god you believe in. dogs are made to take down animals bigger than them, if they want you they will get you. none of this 'grab their front legs and spread them, it will break their shoulders' crap - my dog sleeps like that. any poking in the eyes will likey aggrivate the dog, if you offer an arm hoping to be able to hit with your other one you'll soon find one arm with alot less muscle and flesh. a friend of mine has a 40lb lab mix. i play tug with her all the time and she pulls me off of his couch. i am 6'2" and 250lbs. now picture if the dog was seriously upset and intent on attacking me and i offer her my arm. that same tugging that pulls 250lbs off a couch would be on my arm, with teeth imbedded. not to mention the head shaking that dogs do when they attack.

But wing chun has it! You do not have to look elsewhere, coz it is there, in wing chun. I have two and a half year training in wing chun, (it is a little more street orientated I think that most traditional wing chun system, but the tree main techniques are tougth there to, just as in your wing chun. Taan sao, bong sao and fook sao, war style!), and I used to say this words too, but now I know that you don't have to look at other styles, Wing Chun has it all, you just have to find it for yourself or ask your sifu for it, but trust me on this: what the other styles has, so has wing chun! But on a simpler, more complete way! If your line of wing chun dosn't have the toe-in verson of the goat stance it is NOT wing chun, just a bad copy of it! How the he77 do you do Sil Nim Tao without that stance and IF you do, where are your rothing? OR don't you do that form either? Sorry pal, but without a propper stance your wing chun is just a very bad copy...... if you can call it a copy at all!! you obviously missed the point of everything that i said. good work! let me dumb it down for you. there are many different branches of wing chun, and many differances in techniques between those styles and almost no unity amongst them. if one branch of wing chun has something that your style doesnt and it works then why not use it? that is what i was saying. about the goat stance, again you missed what i was saying. there are some branches of wing chun that fight from the goat stance, mine does not. we do use it in siu lim tao, chum kiu and biu gee. not to mention baat jam do and the pole form, but NOT IN FIGHTING. please read the posts slowly and take a second to let them sink in before responding so i dont have to repeat myself.

theres definately a bunch of different styles of wing chun. like i said before, if you use that stance in yours good for you, we dont. the way my Sifu has taught us makes sense to us, and im sure the way your Sifu has taught you makes sense to you, so theres no point in arguing. the biggest problem that i have with the wing chun community is the way EVERYONE claims that they have the knowledge of the ONLY complete system. my Sifu has learned from three different teachers and each is different, he has incorporated techniques from all three of us to learn - this is what all wing chun practitioners should do! if a technique from another style works and your style doesnt have it, why not learn it and make your style even more complete? i hace always maintained that the reason Wing Chun isnt as popular as Tai Kwon Do or Karate is because the leaders of Wing Chun spend too much time bitching about who has the best style or who's is complete. if there was unity amongst the lineages then Wing Chun would be HUGE.

the 1 inch punch is one of the first techniques taught in Wing Chun, mainly because it takes so much practice to perfect it. the way that my Sifu explained it to me is this. the key to it is remaining completely relaxed until the moment of the strike (actual contact) then become as tense as possible in your first and arm. also you have to train the muscle groups to get used to punching from the elbow and not from the shoulder. you do this by practicing constantly. when you are confortable with your technique then you move on to using a heavy bag and practicing it while concentrating on the finer details of the hit. i have been at it for four years now and i can get a 230lb bag swinging, but my Sifu who has been at it for 18 years gets the bag swinging at least twice as much as me! he demonstrated it on me once infront of the class and put me on my *, and im 6'2" and 250lbs.

Toronto Canada here. livin la vida colda right now.

you'de be shocked, for example check out leung ting's most famous student emin boztepe, that guy teaches and fights from that stance. i'm not slaggin anyone here, if it works for you then great, but its not for me and my style of wing chun.

the whole triangle stance is just for training. in a fight you use a more natural stance more like the 60/40 weight distribution. there are some wing chun lineages that do fight from the triangle stance but thats not how we do it, my sifu has always told us that its a great way to get kicked in the balls.