It's so interesting how religion can cause such deep divides. I have grown up in a majority Catholic country haveing Catholicism rammed down my throat from an early age and I am not going to claim I can quote from the Bible but as I remember it the Bible says we should not worship false Gods etc... Personally I think there is nothing wrong with a respectful bow both entering or leaving the Dojo. At the start and end of class me kneel and on the command the Sensei bows to the class and the class bows to the Sensei...OUT OF RESPECT..not some wild obsessed religious cult!! As for meditating I can't see how that is related to religion unless you treat it that way, and if you do why not channel it to your beliefs. I do have to say TKD that you have been exceptionally disrespectful and to Doug and Iron. This is a forum for sharing our ideas and interpretations on subjects. I don't feel calling someone and idiot and ridiculling their beliefs is needed here, the Christian Crusades ended a long long time ago. Also what the hell has homoexuality and sheep got to do with this topic? [ This Message was edited by: Ryukyu1 on 2002-03-15 02:56 ]