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I don't know if Glen Keeney is in your area or not. He's the guy who taught Karate to Bill Wallace. I'm not sure what system he teaches though.

I know what you mean about the feeling it thing. The last time I was in a fight was in 6th grade! That was a very long time ago. The thing I remember most was that the kid was on top of me and I was just wresteling around with him. I was wresteling for several seconds before I realized he was punching me. Then I punched him and rolled him off of me. I remember us standing up and clinching by some monkey bars and me thinking about (and refraining from) slamming his head into the monkey bars and poking his eyse. Not really a self defense situation, just two 11 year olds just being kids. Neither of us were hurt or anything.

Yeah, it's an amazingly effective form of takedown. In all the USJJF competitions I've been in it was illegal because...well you saw why.

Well put for someone who does not practice bunkai. I would agree completely.

I agree here! IF you owe him money, the only correct thing is to pay him what you owe! Next, I would honestly ask myself..."Do I think this person could have done what he's being charged with?" If the answer is yes, you should move on to a more trustworthy instructor.

Ok. You've been very helpful. I am very appreciative.

Come on now! I think it's pretty safe to say that most of the people on the forum here are Kata geeks. I know I am. I love to see new and different kata! If you can get a video of some of them, that would be great!

Yes you are correct. But does it translate into viewing the sky in Korea.

Does it still translate to "Viewing the Sky?" That's what Kwanku translates to in Japanese. However, the Okinawan translations usually just relate to the person believed to have created the kata.

Kong San Goon must be it. Yes, I know it's also Kwan Ku, but wasn't sure if the form I mentioned was the same. Thank you very much for your help.

Umm, how did you come up with this number, if I may inquire? He asked the wise old Owl from the Tootsie Pop commercials I'm sorry, as a product of the 80s, I loved that commercial...halarious! Ok, to honestly answer your question, each person who learns karate to it's advanced levels will begin to make it their own. This doesn't mean that they create a new system, just that it will be different in use than the original. We're all built differently and have different methods of movement that work well for us. Therefore, there are as many styles as there are practitioners. As far as basic systems of training, which basically will each have a different overall approach and theorys and doctrine on their techniques, several have been listed already.

I'm looking for someone who has heard of a form that is pronounced similar to or the same as "Kung sun gun". If you have info on it, please let me know. I appreciate your help.

I agree that it may be Korean also. He says they practice the kata just like Shotokan, but his orginization calls it Tae Kwon Do. It's strange, because every TKD practitioner I've met used versions, but his are exactly the same as in Karate Do Kyohan except they use more Okinawan pronunciations. You know...Pinan instead of Heian and so forth. Any TKD or TSD practitioners ever hear of kung sun gun?

Are you asking if the show would add a BJJ event, or a practictioner? IMHO, If the show added a BJJ event, then it would be pretty sorry. Since some (most??) of the folks on the show aren't that great anyway. If a BJJ individual was on the show, they'd also need some good stand up skills to be competitive in the show's format. But I'm sure they would have a great advantage then as most of hte BJJ folks that I've met who were black belts were pretty well rounded Martial artists. I'm sure if they added a BJJ element, there would be some really dumb rule like no passing the guard or no submission attempts are allowed. No being on the ground

Yeah. I totally agree with you here. I agree with the article, but don't think it's earth shattering.

Has anyone here heard of the Kwanku/ Kushanku kata being refered to as Kung sun gun? I have a friend who calls it that and is nearly positive he hasn't heard it incorrectly. He's been studying martial arts for over 12 years too! His instructor and grandmaster both call it that. I study shotokan and we call it Kwanku or Kanku. There are Dai and Sho versions, but that's superflous in this discussion. Can anyone offer any insight? I think it may be some vague reference to the possible creator of the kata, Kung K'ung. I get this very loose guess from the following site, under source 2. http://www.karate.org.yu/articles/kata_kushanku.htm Thanks in advance.

The Drill Article thread that was recently posted got me thinking. Have any of you been/ trained in a school that did not believe drilling was effective. I ask because in my humble 22 years of training I have not encountered anyone in any martial art that does not value drills of some sort. My training experience is in the following martial arts: Shotokan (Kwanmuzendokai) Poekoelan (Dragon's Den) Sogo Bujitsu (Seishinkan, Renbukan, All-Japan Sogo Bujitu Assn.) Tae Kwon Do (Weirton Karate Schools) Aiki Jujitsu (United States Jujitsu Federation) Brazilian Jiujitsu (BJJ & Self Defense Academy, Pedro Sauer Affiliate) MMA (BJJ & Self Defense Academy, Pedro Sauer Affiliate) Anyone visit/train in a school that does not drill? If so, please list the school and your opinion of it. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=28083 This is the thread with a very good article about drilling.

I agree with the article. There isn't an art I've trained that we haven't drilled either.

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Thanks for the link. Good points made Triangle. For the most part strikes are a pretty futile thing from the position he's putting himself in. I don't care who you are, when you take away your root and ability to use your hips your strikes are done. Triangle was correct in saying Speakman should be trying to stand here. It would actually be much easier to escape and stand than to use the grappling sequence Speakman's proposed. Additionally, when it comes to self defense techniques, does it really matter if it's traditional as long as it works? Tradition is good for learning about other cultures and cultivating spirit, which will go a long way. But your skill set can still change/evolve/grow while retaining tradition. Tradition is about much more than what techniques you teach and when. It's about creating a connection with the past and understanding how you/your art got to where you are today and the people that contributed to that rich history. Tradition does not equate to being stagnant and unweilding in thought. I think I'm reading too much into your statement here parkerlineage, but I just had to vent a little. I apologize for taking it out in a reply to your post. It just annoys me when people hide behind the guise of tradition to justify their stuborness or lack of understaning. The fact is if you are having to jump guard or defend an applied guillotine, you are already extremely late in your defense of the situation. As Triangle pointed out, pummeling and other clinch drills/ defending the takedown would be more easily applied to a standfighter's skill set. I mean, look at Chuck Lidell. He's a stander who's been very successful in the UFC because he has good takedown defense. He sucks people into standing with him...BIG MISTAKE on their part!

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I think you'll find that the elevator sweep is going to be very difficult from that position. The elevator sweep, as with all jujitsu techniques, works best when momentum is available. The way it's presented here, the stronger person is going to win. Many people aren't going to be able to perform it here against a resisting opponent. Good attempt, but using grappling techniques without teaching the principles behind them is pretty useless. There are easier ways to handle this situation. He seems more intent on harming the other person than defending himself. The second series, overall, is better self defense. Great defense of the guillotine. Although it's the right hand going over the back that stops the choke. It prevents the person from leaning back and toward the choke (which is how it's most efficently applied). THe takedown is good, but he misses an easy submission with a keylock. Additionally, just pushing the hand off the head won't be so easy. That's where he could be leveraging on the throat, they'll let go of your head to defend their throat. At that point the rest is pretty good. I could pick them apart alot more, but I think the basic idea of the thing is good. Here's why: He realizes that people can bring you down. It's a realistic belief. At least he's putting together techniques that will help to put his students in a better position when this happens. I'm also willing to bet that those are not the only two techniques he has. Overall, bravo Jeff Speakman for having a realistic view and attempting to fill some of the holes a system has.

In training we have learned to utilize virtually every surface to strike. I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that most of the advanced practitioners on the forum have also learned this. Forearms, Shins, Head and so on. Of course, you need to be careful where you strike with what weapon.

Reverse punch for me. I had always cut it short and, although my hips were moving, I wasn't really using them. I had faked it pretty well for several years and even earned black belt. One day I just concentrated hard and BANG. There it was, now my very best technique. The simple reverse punch.