Smokey, please re-read - I am not talking about an actual "bottle" luckyboxer, you got it just right, i think the term "bottle" is a UK thing to be fair. I have met many people that scare the crap out of you and its got nothing to do with chi, as such. They have had no training in martial arts at all, they are just hard and it shows... In the Uk you would say I think he lost his bottle, ie he looked scared...