I'm not surprised. I'm also not surprised that you didn't understand my post. Please don't confuse instinct with muscle memory. Instinctively you know where your joints are and how they move (basic mechanics), where you are ticklish (basic anatomy), and leverage vs power (basic physics). The study of pressure points is not instinctual. I get the impression you think i was born yesterday. I was not, so please... no double talk. Some drunk people tell stories and some drunk people exaggerate, as do some 'sober' people. But, if we were to push this drunk angle, this is due to a decrease in inhibitions. Your argument about pain falls flat on its face, as those inebriated are actually less susceptible to pain. One does not relate to the other. Just because it might be easier to fight a drunk person does not substantiate the effectiveness or relevancy of pressure points. Then we are in disagreement. Especially since instinct and 'mind/body' training are not one and the same. You could train yourself to override instinct, as long as 'fight/flight' doesn't override you. As i stated above, seems both of you misunderstood the paragraph on instinct and therein assumed incorrectly what i was inferring. Before i continue with these discussions... may i be so intrusive as to ask how long either of you (nitroice0069, ppko) have been studying pressure points? for about 10 years ( not all with the Dillman Group)