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i am looking for opinions on the above arts. mainly interested in which is quicker to learn to be used effectively for self defence,but all opinions welcome on the pro's and con's. thanks

your right SevenStar,just looking for the quicker developement to aid self defence. i know a number of people who have taken martial arts/self defence classes after they have been attacked(its a bit late then) my theory is "prevention is better than cure". i would rather learn something before being attacked,to reduce the chance of becoming a victim. also,i know some mates who have taken up martial arts,and due to the lack of developement(they felt the techniques learnt were not very practical,or too difficult)have simply given up after a years training. i understand that some people train martial arts for the mental as well as physical side. but for me,i am only interested in the physical side(at the moment). if you feel your making good progress,and the techniques are practical,its easy to keep training,and making progress. but if the techniques are too difficult to learn,its very easy to loose enjoyment and give up. at the end of the day,everyone wants something different from ma. for me,learning useful skills quickly is most important,and not being too complex to learn is next. so is judo better than jjj for me? and to throw a "spanner in the works",how would wado ryu karate fit my requirements compared to judo? thanks for all the replies already.

i know that there are simularities between the 2(throws,locks). jjj also has kicks,punches as well. would i be correct in assuming that judo can be learnt in a quicker timescale than jjj? i am talking about the time it takes to learn practical self defence techniques(and be able to use them),not the total time to master. are the techniques easier to learn in judo? i suppose what i mean is that if twins both took up martial arts on the same day,one in judo and one in jjj,and they both put in equal amounts of training,who would be better to protect themselves in a years time?(hope this makes sense) also,removing the striking/weapons from jjj,is it the same as judo? how do they differ? which has more complex techniques? thanks in advance