Maybe I owe you an apolgy and yes I have researched my questions out a little more plus what I meant that I was proabably asking question that I should have asked in another section of the website .Nobody is calling you a waiter.I was asking for help from anyone willing to answer .I belong to several other forums of various types as I several interests and I am familiar with way most forums work . One of the first mistakes I was the topic heading (PKA).The old PKA was Professional Kickboxing Association .I didn,t know they did away with it in the early to mid 80,s .Nowadays PKA is called Professinal Karate Association. Thats part of why I never got a answer to my questions .Obviously if questions about old PKA I am a little older (53) .I still kickboxing but it dooes look the same way it used to look .I am not trying to cut down any of the newer kickboxers . It, hard for me to forget Bad Brad Hefflin doing those spinning back kicks he was famous for .Brad was a light heavy weight and was taller than most if his oppenents so he could jump alot higher .I could,nt remember some of the other kickboxers of the time era.Which was why asking one knew where I could find a link to any archives that might list those champions and top contenders of that time period .I beleive that information does not exist. May be you could have told me that you didn,t know of any websites like that either . Plus everyone has to be new at sometime or another and was asking you or any one else to reseach it out for me . Correct me if I am wrong but this section of this forum is for asking about how to or teckniques.I,m to old to fight now.and I am disabled now and can,t . I wanted to become that world champion and was training to be that world top athlete ,but I had bad accident .I was buried in a mining accident and broke both my arms .both my legs ,heavy spinal column damage ,plus heavy brain damage . It seemed like it took me forever to recover .I started training again,I would not give up .I prayed to god to help me and give my strength back . I did compete some again .I guess I was training to hard combined with the long hours that I worked industrial construction got to me .I had a heart attack recovered from that I would not give up .I had another heart attack , I quit training and tried to just work , but finally got to where I couldn,t do that . All I do now is draw a social security check and dream about what might have could have happened to me and wonder if I could not have been that world champion . At least I can watch a fight on tv from time to time and read about it.I guess I just let it all get the best of me and stayed depessed and lost interest .But I have tried to snap out of all of that and move on with my life and pray to god that at least I am still alive.I just keep on trying to improve my other talents and take life oneday at a time . Now that you know me better ease up little me. harley88