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TKD is not TKD on the ground. The answers posted are good answers, But the answers assume the attacker is not all over you preventing you from being able to kick, or punch. You need to get out of the ground situation before TKD can at all be effective.

Would people PLEASE stop quoting Bruce Lee's characters in movies,... especially when it's totally out of context [bruce DID do breaking, the character was just responding to the other character's "show" ). quote] Read the whole thread and not just my comment and you will see that I used the the quote in the same context! Which is why I said it

Boards don't hit back

Just keep fighting taller people. learn to move quickly and at angles. don't fight on the line. Get off the train tracks when they come at you. Some the the best fighters I know are short people. Thye needed to learn to be smarter fighters and did not let size limit them. A lot of this should come to you as you progress. A good teacher should be able to coach you through this. I have seen a 5'2" girl beat a 6'5" guy in point fighting consitantly. He is snot used to people getting inside and has no defense. She knows the only way to win is to move inside. But don't quit. I remember a quote, and I think is was Bruce Lee or may be someone speaking about him, "only in the martial arts and a little man walk tall." Part of martial arts is learning to deal with what you have and use it to your advantage.

TSD is an off shoot of Karate, specifically shotokan. If you cannot see the similarities in the styles then you are probably not learning TSD. May I ask if either of you are associated with any of the TSD federations? Jase, It looks like you are associated with WTSDF.

I never said techniques are exactly the same. But at basic level they are too similar to discount a connection. I have never found a reference to Kee having a shotokan teacher. He did admit to studying a book on Japanese Karate. I find it difficult to believe that he picked up all the details of Karate from a book . Let assume he did, it still means that he based much of the style on Japanese Karate. Most likely Shotokan. Why would he hide learning from a Kind Japanese person? becuase to admit that anything in his style was not purely Korean would be Political suicide for his school. And During the occupation, not only was learning Japanese arts illegal, so was practicing anything Korean! In fact, that was even more dangerous because as part of the assimilation of culture, the Japanese banned everything Korean. "Tang Soo Do has its roots in Korean Kwon Bop"..."He was already considered somewhat of an expert in kwon bop at age 22 in 1936 " How is this possible? Kwan Bop is the "boxing section" of the Muye Dobo Tong Ji. Kee discover this maunual in 1957. This is also the same section that references Subahk. So how can this art be based on something the founder discovered say 20 years after creating the art? It was this discovery that led to Kee changing the name of the art to Soo Bahk Do. What did he base TSD on before then? Whatever it was, sure looks like Karate. It is unlikely he learned any chinese style, when after 1931 Manchuria was under the control the Japanese. And if he did, why are a majority of TSD techniques hard style? Kee, did incorporate matierial from the Muye Dobo Tong Ji into MDK/TSD, but he did so long after TSD had be established as being Japanse Karate with Korean style kicking.

Jase, Why are the stances and techniques in TSD and TKD both so much like Shotokan? Why are the forms the same ( or in the case of TKD the patterns)? As I recall, Kee trained in shotokan before leaving occupied Korea before taking up Chinese arts in the 1920's while working in China. I really think you need to look into other sources of history rather than rely on the history according the Korean masters. Not that their histories do no have value, but they really are just one side of the issue.

Jase, Sorry, but the style is only 60 years old. I know you probably want to say it's thoughsands of years old but it is not. Yes there were korean martial arts, and yes GM Kee did incorporate techniques from the ancient text into modern soo bahk do, but this was all after he firmly established TSD as it is today. The techniques and form patterns are base on Shotokan, just like TKD. You need to take Asian history with a grain of salt. In Korea they are still trying very hard to wipe the stain of the Japanese occupation away. They are very very sensitive to anything being labled Japanese or having Japanese orgins. It's all over Asia. There's is constant academic arguments over the nationality of aniquities and sites. Yes, TKD and TSD do favor high kicking (TKD more so) This is mainly due to high kicks scoring more points in tournaments.

I have been Korea, and that stone carving could be a guy doing Tai chi. Considering that all of TSD forms are taken from Karate, I don't buy that it's that old. Did Koreans have ancient forms of MA, yes every civiliation does in some way. Is it anything like modern Korean arts...NO

GM Kee translated an ancient korean military manul. It referenced some hand to hand fighting reffered to a "subahk". He began to add those techniques to his style, and changed the name to Soo Bahk Do. I haven't run into a school that teaches "soo bahk Do" but in all of Kee's writtings and his son's the term is always Trade Marked. Based on GM Kee's books, the only difference I can see is that Soo Bahk Do is the Official style of GM Kee, and you would have pay "royalites" for the name.

The site lacks details such as the programs, costs, and obligations. These are the three things that really show a McDojo.

I think you can tell from a website if a school is a Bad place to look. You can never tell if it's good, but you can rule one out.

DA, I just posted two links that refute your lie. I really don't need to post more. I really think you need to look into reading comprehension courses soon. I never said that KSW was japanese. I said I doubted it's origin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also said that I could not find evidence one way or another. I also said the only confirmed traning I could find for Suh was that he trained in HKD. I did not then leap to claim that KSW was japanese. All I have done is doubt your claims and you get all upset and start resorting to lies and twisting everything I have said. What are you a first grader? You take everything I say you take out of context. It's like having a debate with the Special Olympics debate team.

No, But there a many that you can tell right off the bat are Mcdojo's. If you really want to dig into the site. Since there is no usefull information on the site, that could ba a bad sign. Not a red flag, but maybe a yellow flag. Having a 13 year old who is a 2nd dan, that's a red flag, but since it's only one red flag, it's not enough to truly rule it a McDojo. Now looking at that video you posted. That was funny, I needed a laugh, thanks

Go to the school and take a few classes before signing up. See if it's something you like. The website has no information to base a decision on.