Firstly, Prodigal Son, before you make some half baked comment on how you need to see evedence about how great bruce lee was go and read about him. All the evedence is there, im not wasting my time explaining it to you. Now when 'yireses' wrote about how bruce lee improved the art you seem to miss the bit that said 'for him', its subjective. why argue? He didnt say he made a better martial art than WC. Next, not been able to improve a 500 year old art?? I think that is one of the most ignorant comments i've seen on MA boards. Of course you can improve arts that have ben around for centries. Times change, arts should change with them. That said and done i agreed with some stuff you said, however i think your overlooking something. Your comments on how you learn WC are exactly the approch Bruce Lee was adcocating, however now they are taken for granted. When Bruce Lee studied cross training was a taboo, like many other aspects. The way of the art was the way you done it, period. A lot of what Bruce Lee was trying to fix has been fixed. But now people are trying to fix things that are fixed. People now cross train, spar and train flexibly. The greatness of Bruce was the he was the first to do these things, he cross trained, weight trained introduced full contact sparring and gave a personal approch to the way we learn MA. Appreciate that! Thats where his greatness lies! bluez4u2: I quite liked your post untill i got half way down, you obviuosly have no clue about JKD! You study Emin Boztepe wing chun, have to say that worked wonders aginast William Cheung in Cologne Germany.