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A trick to impress those who don't know how.

Thanks for clearing that up. I had a feeling it really wasn't what it was being portrayed as but you go off of the information given........

I would be very surprised if it were a belt factory. Master Meng runs a pretty tight ship as I know some of his students in Phoenix. But I still don't like contracts.

Don't necessarily discount the HFY because of the pricing. Look into it and if you like it see if you can work something out. There is lots of variety in the WC world so if that is a fir for you.

This is how NAPMA suggests that their member schools market to you the "consumer". They have contracts that lock you in to paying whether you are there or not with each contract being a little longer and a little cheaper. Obviously the prices are not that bad it is how they go about it that I do not agree with. I was once associated with a school that was a NAPMA member and this is exactly what they suggested I am not saying that this school is, it may be pure coincidence. I personally do not feel the need to have a student sign a contract. My students aren't consumers or clients they are students I feel no need to lock them into contracts to keep them. You stated up front it was too expensive for the first month of lessons, another thing typical of NAPMA style marketing they charge you a large registration fee when you could buy what they are selling (a uniform and "some" books) for a quarter of the price. Now you are now saying it isn't that bad with the contracts and you are right there but you will be locked in for that duration if you quit. If they truly believe what they are teaching and selling a good "product", which HFY is, there is no need for contracts the students will stay.

Hung Fa Yi is a great system of Wing Chun, very precise and technical. But it sounds to me like they are using NAPMA business principles to make money. In short that is charging you for everything under the sun and lots of contracts. Which I don't necessarily agree with. I would get to one of the HFY seminars and see if it is for you, if so then sign up.

Too many close minded WC folks out there I do what I do and am comfortable with it. And every now and then I get in a conversation with someone like you that will actually listen and respond without being up on their pedestal all the while telling you that you are wrong.

I am in the same situation and yes many would find me boring because of my willingness to drill something to what many consider the point of boring redundancy but my serious students wouldn't have it any other way. Based on this explanation I agree and teach things very similar to what you are describing. So to my original point it seems that you have nothing that I don't, except for maybe that kick which I wouldn't use because it goes above the waist if kicking at the kidneys. I stand by my comment that it is there you just have to have an open mind and be willing to except things not taught to you by closed minded instructors who only teach what they have been taught and soon it becomes dogma. I would tend to agree that many do not do these things but it is not because it isn't there it is because it hasn't been taught to them, it is there they just have to find it. BTW what is your lineage as I am in possession now of several videos of mainland WC and find it very interesting it seems to have an incredible likeness to Tai Chi.

Don't confuse center line with motherline. You never want to go center to center that is fighting force with force.

I would say that your aim should be to take the opponents core line get them off of your center line, you do not want to go head (centerline) to head (centerline) with anyone. But other than that pretty good short explanation.

Whether one practices QiGung or not is up to the instructor. I for one was taught QiGung and a great importance was put on it but as time went on that importance faded because it bored students. I now teach Qigung as a very integral part of what I teach. It has nothing to do with lineage it has everything to do with the instructor understanding and teaching it. If you cannot list techniques then you are keeping them secret I was simply asking what you have that I don't. Because I for one do not believe that you have things I or others don't. This comes from careful exploration of the system and learning to utilize it to its fullest. My ground fighting is not a fusion of other arts although I believe others do that, I don't. It is based on priciple and yes I have everything on the ground I do on my feet such as strikes and blocks. We also look heavily at vital organ striking. As for kicking I would venture to say that your roundhouse kick is not WC, just my opinion though, I know of several lineages that use a variety of kicks many of which I disagree with that I feel break principle. In order to maintain principle how can you throw a roundhouse kick. If I could see it then I may have a different opinion. As for the punches, a punch is a punch, unless you have developed something no one has thought of. Any attack with the hand is WC as long as it follows principle no matter how the fist is used. I use mine in a variety of ways. I am surprised at the mention of darts I have never heard that one before but I have heard stranger. I am aware of literally dozens of lineages and variations of WC, and to date I am not surprised by some of the things I see. As I am always on the lookout for differences in how others do things. I am always surprised by those that claim to be WC when they aren't or those who claim to have techniques no one else has and then won't describe them or demonstrate because they can't. I do however agree many WC practitioners do not fully understand the jewel they have before them and do not fully explore and utilize what they have and this is not limited to just the Ip Man lineage but seems to based on people who put to much faith in what their instructor teaches them and do not look beyond that. I for one at least try to understand and explore the art by constant practice and looking at things from outside the box......

Please enlighten me on what you have that others don't. So do many others this is not lineage specific but more instructor specific. It efffects the time in any lineage. More specific it is the instructor himself who dictates how long it takes to get students to instructor and the quality of those instructors shows. Many instructors who run commercial schools believe to keep students happy they have to constantly be advancing in rank. I for one beleive they only need to be learning. I have students who have come to me and literally started over even though they have been practicing for two years. Why is this, because they are learning they aren't being advanced simply because of the time put in or the instructors need to keep them happy. Their level of understanding has climbed significantly in my eyes and they tell me themselves that the depth of their own comprehension and proficiency is much higher.

No I do not or have I ever trained with Augustine Fong he is down Tucson way I am over 200 miles north of that. I will agree that many do not know what is in their WC. Many believe that all that is there is what they have been shown. Many water it down for the sake of standardizing and attracting students. And you are right, all of the things you mentioned are in WC you just have to find them. Unless of course your punches and kicks break principle then they are no longer WC. To many think they need to add ground fighting to WC but it is there. It is simply a matter of applying those principles to the ground and getting down there and exploring.

You it is funny I hear that all the time. I don't believe it for a second. It is all there all you have to do is look hard enough and you will find it in Wing Chun, Wing Tsun or however you spell it, it is whether you opt to employ it.

Thaegen please explain how you feel WT is more aggressive than WC. I will only say this if your WC/WT is not realistic and combat oriented you need to find someone who teaches it that way. There are many out there who do not teach it that way because they believe it will scare potential students away that they have to teach to the 90% that walk in the door and don't want that kind of training. Not necessarily bad but definitely different.