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Ali wrote: "And Thailand have also sent their best fighter to deal with Sanda on 2002. Result is 4:1, Muay Thai : Sanda" Did Thailand send world champions... No Did Thailand send national champions... No Did Thailand send divisional champions... No Did Thailand send provincial champions... No As White Shark stated, Thailand sends mid-level Pro's to fight the best San Shou and Sanda fighters that China has to offer. Does Sanda have more wins over Muay Thai… Yes, but the majority of wins by Sanda are due to points by decisions and the majority of their losses are from knockouts. The majority of wins by Muay Thai are by knockouts while the majority of their losses are on points by decisions. Overall the only thing that these challenge matchs prove is that Muay Thai is far more physical destructive causing greater damage resulting in knockouts, while Sanda looks good on paper by way of points due to throws.

I found some Kyokushin "Knockdown" tournament fighting clips, so please enjoy watching "the strongest karate" in bare knuckle, full contact action! Just click on the pics you want to watch, they are short but intense! http://www.kyokushinmail.com/video_2ndworldcup.html

In all due respect fireka, just because you will be training in the same school as the master founder means nothing in K-1, training and style of training means EVERYTHING. If you are truly serious about fighting in K-1, then you need to find a camp that trains amateur/professional fighters and champions exclusively. The #1 choices would be Fairtex in USA, traveling to Thailand or Europe to train Muay Thai also consider Poland, Russia or Japan to train Kyokushin from the best in the world. Yet what ever you choose, you must find a camp with amateur/professional fighters, conditioning coaches and champions. To beat the best, you must train with the best!

YELLOWPAGES, check the yellowpages bro!!!

The was sad and pathetic!!!

umm.. if Bruce Lee was still alive and wanted to fight in the UFC, then that would mean he'd be 60+ years old, weighing 128-130lbs as a result the best match for him would be Helio Gracie.

fireka wrote: In order to stand a chance in K-1, he would have to... - Spar full contact, under K-1/Muay Thai rules on a regular bases - Understand how to fight in the "plum" or clinch - Diet - Cardiovascular and Physical condition/training - Train 5-6 days a week, 3-6 hours a day - Understand how to use and defend against knees and low kicks - Be able to knock his opponent out - Must become an Athlete - Muat have talent to fight If the Isshinryu practitioner has ability and trains like this on a regular bases then without a doubt, he would stand a solid chance in K-1.

This is for the shotokanwarrior... BRAWL by:Erich Krauss & Bret Aita, {page 46-47} "I was sitting back for a heel hook, and actually had the heel hook. He wrapped his gi around my arm, so when I sat back, it basically pulled him on top of me. Then I couldn't get my arm out of the gi to apply the heel hook and get my leg over. So I tried to turn on my side, and when I did he wrapped his gi and his hand around my throat... Then all of a sudden I felt this gi tighten around my neck" Shamrock then tapped out. --Ken Shamrock--

umm... actually it was a sad fight on Minoki Ichihara part. Royce had the mount and cross body the entire fight, never once was Ichihara in the guard.

TJS has stated facts and I agree with his post 100%, but he did miss one very important and extremely skilled fighter that Royce Gracie beat, Minoki Ichihara in UFC 2. Minoki Ichihara at the time was a 2nd Dan Black Belt in Daito Juku Karate, with over 60 wins in bare knuckle, full contact karate matches, and arguable one of the toughest Karateka's in the world at the time and yet still lost to Royce in 11min. R1. Royce Gracie deserves nothing but respect!

/viewtopic.php?t=3425&start=30&sid=59e79e14da1deee281c52504aa89a557 Scroll down to my post and you'll find brief but soild information on Burmese Boxing.

G95Champ, their are many of top class strikers in MMA that have beat top class grapplers and here is a list of them... - Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic (Muay Thai) - Vanderlei Silva (Muay Thai/Chute Boxe) - Bas Rutten (Muay Thai/Kyokushin) - Duane Ludwig (Muay Thai) - Marco Ruas (Muay Thai/Vale Tudo) - Andersen Silva (Muay Thai/Chute Boxe) - Jose "Pele" Jons (Muay Thai) - Gilbet Yves (Muay Thai) - Maurice Smith (Muay Thai/Kickboxing) - Pedro Rizzo (Muay Thai/Vale Tudo) - Rob "Razor" McCullough (Muay Thai) - Murilo "Ninja" Rua (Muay Thai/Chute Boxe) - Chuck "Iceman" Liddell (Kickboxing)

--Burmese Boxing-- It's home land of Burma, Burmese Boxing is a very aggressive style that is fought bare knuckle and similar to "old school" Muay Thai. In 1930 when Muay Thai was becoming civilized by adding gloves, rounds, time limits and taking out many techniques (head butts, slams, throws...) The Burmese boxers stuck to it's traditional roots and continued to fight bare knuckle to this day. Their techniques include, leg kicks, knees, elbows, head butts, slams, takedowns and eye jabs, all these techniques are legal in a Burmese Boxing match with the only illegal striking area being the groin. You are allowed to stomp, kick, punch your opponent when he is down, but if both shoulders are touching the ground/canvas then you can not hit him, also their is no ground grappling allowed.

IMO the most important skills to posses in a street fight are... - Ability to take a hit or multiply hits - Ability to fight hurt, tired or in pain - Ability to control nerves, adrenalin and pressure - Ability to knock your opponent out - Ability to control your opponent These five reasons are why I believe MMA fighters would do incredibly well and much better in a street fight over any other MA practitioner. MMA fighters have experience with the reality of getting hit and getting hit hard, they train this way and they fight this way. You can keep all the black belts, certificates, and trophies you want but if you can't take a hit and stand your ground in pain, then your gonna get a reality check when you get in a street fight. One of the scariest things that can happen is hitting a guy as hard as possible and all he does is smile and counter back.

Dame straight Raiden, I 100% agree with you!

Beer-monster wrote: Read what I wrote again, and you will see that some camps do add Thai techniques. The Wai Kru is NOT a kata, it's a single RITUAL DANCE done to pay homage to life, teachers and family. It is not a form you practice to improve your techniques, distance, timing... like a kata. So what principles are these? JKD, Krav Maga, Kali… are all self defense/street fighting based arts, yet they have no fixed patterns, why... because the streets are unpredictable and anything can happen. As a result why practice a fixed pattern for the unpredictable? Kata will not make you a better fighter, kata will not prepare you for the streets and kata will not save you against a knife attack. Getting busted up, for hours in the ring or at the dojo/camp in sparring will make you a better fighter, resistant partner training in grappling, striking, weapons and multiply opponents can save your life on the streets, rigorous knife to knife, hand to knife, knife to hand training against partners will prepare you for a knife attack. Oh and in Kali we mainly use knives, daggers and machetes very, very little sword work.

Beer-monster wrote: LOL... Kata in Muay Thai? The Wai Kru is a ritual dance done before a fight to show respect and homage to your teachers, family, and gift of life. The movements come from animals and their spiritual representation in Buddhism, the movements are NOT a representation of Muay Thai techniques, but all Wai Kru's are different so some clubs will add techniques from Muay Thai. Well or course not, how is a Thai fighter gonna prepare him/herself to fight in the ring, if most of their time is being spend kick, punching, elbowing, kneeing and stepping to air? In Muay Thai EVERYTHING is done with a partner, it's the only practical and realistic way to train and perpare for a fight. The same goes with Kali, everything must be done on a partner in order to learn proper timing, distancing, offensive and defensive movements. In Muay Thai anything can happen in the ring, so why practice a fixed pattern? In Kali anything can happen when your opponent has a knife so why pratice a fixed pattern? It's all unrealistic! Once again... This would only be a waste of time, what's the point of creating a Kali/Muay Thai kata, when partner training is the only practical and realistic way of training for a fight or combat! If a partner is not around (which would be unusual) then I would hit the heavy bag for Muay Thai, and for Kali I would practice stabing and slicing the tire bag. As a result for my Muay Thai/ Kali training, kata would be a waste of time, but like I wrote before, if you find that kata helps YOU in your training then do it, work on it, improve on it.

Kata is a personal choice for improvement in my opinion. Personally, kata is a waste of MY time, and I will get no where doing it. How will kata help me in Kali? It won't! How will kata help me in Muay Thai? It won't! But if you find that kata helps YOU in your training then do it, work on it, improve on it. Yet it all comes down to personal choice and improvement.

InSearchOf wrote: This is so overrated, when it comes to MA's talking about Boxers and how they would just break their knee with a kick, is old and BS! Rickson Gracie is notories for kicking his opponents knees in Vale Tudo tournaments, yet no knees were ever broken. To be honest the only place I have seen this done and work is in the movies, don't get me wrong it is possible in a street fight to work, but to relay on that single move is BS. Ghost wrote: Now were talking, head hunting and going for the KO is what Boxers do best, and one of the reasons why they would "Mop the Floor" with most martial artists.

The best advice I can give you about sparing, is what my Kru told me in Muay Thai... "Keep your hands up, or you'll get my mother-f**king shin your face" Also Vovinam and other Vietnamese MA's stress angels, some of the best fighters in the world (Roy Jones Jr, Ernesto Hoost, Alex Kong, Mirko CroCop...) utilize angulations to the fullest. You have the tool's wckf_azn, but you just need to practice them!

Honestly devilthaiboxer, getting continually hit in Muay Thai is as normal as doing Kata in Karate! From what you wrote it seems your having a timing and distance problem, the ONLY WAY to get better is by sparring also ask your Kru for directions on how to improve. Remember you will get hit, you will get hurt, you will get bruises and welts but this is reality, this is Muay Thai! Stay STRONG, TOUGH and SPAR, SPAR and when your done, SPAR some more you will improve!

Treebranch wrote: It's ok!!! I bet it does cause if it didn't then you won't of commented, regardless if your sarcastic or not! Sorry that holds no weight either, you made a comment without fact, proof, or any reasoning. Well if you want my comment on the subject then I'll give it. Muay Thai will not fully prepare you for the streets, reason being is the non-existence of offensive/defensive weapons training, ground grappling and multiply opponents. Yet the majority of Muay Thai fighters have fight experience on their side, the ability to take a hit or multiply hits, also the ability to fight hurt, tired or in pain. They also understand how to cope under stress in a fight with the shaky legs and butterfly feeling in their stomachs these are all very important factors in a street fight. Now Hapkido is well rounded with many tools, ground grappling, striking, weapons defensive and multiply opponents training which is very important to know in a street fight, but this is all useless if you are unable to take a hit and stand your own ground in pain. Overall the best choice is to cross train!!!

Twin Dragons are a bunch of snitches, and very disliked in the Muay Thai community, because of them it took amateur Muay Thai a VERY LONG time to get recognized and respected in Ontario, but as of February, amateur Muay Thai is legal in Ontario under CAM-TAO (Canadian Amateur Muay Thai Association of Ontario). It even gives regular kickboxers a chance to fight w/o knees, elbows, clinching but leg kick are legal. With this great step forward it will be only a short time before MMA gets the same recognition and respect it deservers from the provincial government.

Treebranch wrote: "Also Muy Thai is all about beating the crap out of someone. It doesn't give you options like restraining someone, for example what if your good friend has had one too many and takes a swing at you. It would be beneficial to be able to control him with out destroying him." That is the most illogical example I have read, I'm 100% positive his buddy isn't going to clinch and start driving knees into his friends face because his drunk. I train in Kali and if I use your example that would mean I would pull my knife out and start cutting my friend up. Sorry bro, your example holds no weight!

I have read this before, the problem with what Bruce Lee stated about different martial arts were incorrect in some cases, but back then information on martial arts was extremly limited, so mistakes on Bruce's parts should be expected. It would be nice to hear what Bruce would say about those same martial arts if he was alive today!!!