che-lu student

So I reached out to senior rank in Che-Lu and I am sad to say that after O'Sensei passed, Dojos began to close and currently there are no operating dojos. I wish you all the best in your studies and martial arts journey. I will no longer be returning to this thread as I cant imagine anything that gets posted here will make me feel happy.

TKD - Goju - Ketsugen - And I believe some Shorin and Shotokan, but I cant recall for sure - I know there were seven arts and a good portion of his training was at an authentic TKD monastery in Japan - as the story goes, he was a military son and he helped defend another kid in a street fight who was part of a monastery and was thus invited (as one of very few Americans) to train in the the monastery. I have no idea if this story is true, but it is what I was taught. - It is a shame that not more is shared about this art - That Kata's are beautiful - the core value was (in this order) Respect - Discipline - Intensity - over and over this is what we were taught - No disrespect but the story lines of the golden mantis, the dream of a tiger and dragon fighting and becoming one and the fact that he defended another kid who just happened to be a student in a TKD monastery in Japan and was invited as one of a handful of Americans has a movie just waiting to be made from it. Too reminiscent of Bloodsport, KungFu, etc. I've never heard of the art and am very wary when it comes to Westerner's creating their own art. They typically are a hodge-podge of techniques without true understanding of how to make them mold together. You mention Kata... What are the Kata? Do they have names we would recognize? Is there examples of them that can be watched (youtube, etc) What are the core principles and techniques of the art? Close techniques, long range techniques? What percentage split of punching/kicking? Etc., etc., etc. The question has been asked several times and we have gotten little more than a history lesson on the founder, his dreams and the like. What separates this art from others? How were the 7 arts put together and what are the 7 arts that you mentioned. How long did the founder study each of these arts? What grade (rank) did he attain in these arts? No disrespect but if you're going to introduce an art you should at minimum describe the art other than the history and Dojo Kun. How is it that a 25 year old holds a Judan? Get the duct tape because my head just exploded. Your art might be valid in terms of fighting but I can't buy into a 25 year old Judan. Ok, I hear what you are saying. I did not start this thread, I am just contributing to it so I apologize for overlooking the question at hand, I may have drifted down memory lane a bit too far. And I agree that this thread was poorly introduced, I agree the social medial and internet presence is in need of a tune up and I also understand your skepticism - So those are things I can do little to change - So regarding the art itself - I am a decade or more removed from the system, and want to be careful not to speak out of school - some of the questions, I feel should be answered by a current ranking member. When I trained, Che-Lu - The kata (for the most part) was comprised of a blend of flowing and turning techniques, deep steps (training your body for grapples and throws) most of which was in a low break stance (Horse stance), and hard strikes, both hands and feet. Most blocking was done with broken wrists. One of the things I remember that differentiated Che-Lu from most other Karate Styles is that we chambered our punches very high on our chest instead of on the belt or hip(Really feels great, spring loaded). I wish there were YouTube videos of the Kata, but sadly there are not. You mentioned close and long range techniques - I remember there being blend of both. As far as the TKD - that was just a mistake on my end mixing up Japan and Korea, it's been so long I don't really want to get into the fighting style or philosophies, I feel that is something a current ranking member should share, But as one of the posters here stated, our Dojo attended many tournaments and was very present in the local competitions and also participated in some of the national tournaments Like AAU. I apologize if you still find this too vague, but I have been removed from this style for over a decade and a half, and as a 43 (almost) year old art, there may be evolution that I am unaware of and want to be respectful to the current ranking members. If you have any other questions, I would be happy to answer if I can.

TKD - Goju - Ketsugen - And I believe some Shorin and Shotokan, but I cant recall for sure - I know there were seven arts and a good portion of his training was at an authentic TKD monastery in Japan - as the story goes, he was a military son and he helped defend another kid in a street fight who was part of a monastery and was thus invited (as one of very few Americans) to train in the the monastery. I have no idea if this story is true, but it is what I was taught. - It is a shame that not more is shared about this art - That Kata's are beautiful - the core value was (in this order) Respect - Discipline - Intensity - over and over this is what we were taught - No disrespect but the story lines of the golden mantis, the dream of a tiger and dragon fighting and becoming one and the fact that he defended another kid who just happened to be a student in a TKD monastery in Japan and was invited as one of a handful of Americans has a movie just waiting to be made from it. Too reminiscent of Bloodsport, KungFu, etc. I've never heard of the art and am very wary when it comes to Westerner's creating their own art. They typically are a hodge-podge of techniques without true understanding of how to make them mold together. You mention Kata... What are the Kata? Do they have names we would recognize? Is there examples of them that can be watched (youtube, etc) What are the core principles and techniques of the art? Close techniques, long range techniques? What percentage split of punching/kicking? Etc., etc., etc. The question has been asked several times and we have gotten little more than a history lesson on the founder, his dreams and the like. What separates this art from others? How were the 7 arts put together and what are the 7 arts that you mentioned. How long did the founder study each of these arts? What grade (rank) did he attain in these arts? No disrespect but if you're going to introduce an art you should at minimum describe the art other than the history and Dojo Kun. How is it that a 25 year old holds a Judan? Get the duct tape because my head just exploded. Your art might be valid in terms of fighting but I can't buy into a 25 year old Judan. This is a home grown art..it is very unlikely that you will recognize any Kata's, even if you knew the names... Why are you so focused on tradition... Lack of vision and open mindedness is why so many karate black belts find them self on the wrong end of a street fight....I am responding to this post only because someone asked to learn more about Che-lu....if you find the story and history hokey, than get beyond that and visit a dojo and see the actual art in motion..you can find fault in every art...if martial arts did not evolve, it would become obsolete. Lets be clear - I am not introducing or advocating anything - I am simply providing answers to the question asked, based on the information I have - I do though find it disappointing that the martial arts community seems to have such closed minded tunnel vision when it comes to accepting a new form that is not 1000 years old. Every art was created out of necessity and has it's strengths and limitations. Lets not forget - this art was first introduced in 1975 at the monadnock regional championships, where master mason took first place. In my opinion the legitimacy of a fighting style is the result of its effectiveness against an opponent....otherwise your just dancing.

TKD - Goju - Ketsugen - And I believe some Shorin and Shotokan, but I cant recall for sure - I know there were seven arts and a good portion of his training was at an authentic TKD monastery in Japan - as the story goes, he was a military son and he helped defend another kid in a street fight who was part of a monastery and was thus invited (as one of very few Americans) to train in the the monastery. I have no idea if this story is true, but it is what I was taught. - It is a shame that not more is shared about this art - That Kata's are beautiful - the core value was (in this order) Respect - Discipline - Intensity - over and over this is what we were taught - No disrespect but the story lines of the golden mantis, the dream of a tiger and dragon fighting and becoming one and the fact that he defended another kid who just happened to be a student in a TKD monastery in Japan and was invited as one of a handful of Americans has a movie just waiting to be made from it. Too reminiscent of Bloodsport, KungFu, etc. I've never heard of the art and am very wary when it comes to Westerner's creating their own art. They typically are a hodge-podge of techniques without true understanding of how to make them mold together. You mention Kata... What are the Kata? Do they have names we would recognize? Is there examples of them that can be watched (youtube, etc) What are the core principles and techniques of the art? Close techniques, long range techniques? What percentage split of punching/kicking? Etc., etc., etc. The question has been asked several times and we have gotten little more than a history lesson on the founder, his dreams and the like. What separates this art from others? How were the 7 arts put together and what are the 7 arts that you mentioned. How long did the founder study each of these arts? What grade (rank) did he attain in these arts? No disrespect but if you're going to introduce an art you should at minimum describe the art other than the history and Dojo Kun. How is it that a 25 year old holds a Judan? Get the duct tape because my head just exploded. Your art might be valid in terms of fighting but I can't buy into a 25 year old Judan. This is a home grown art..it is very unlikely that you will recognize any Kata's, even if you knew the names... Why are you so focused on tradition... Lack of vision and open mindedness is why so many karate black belts find them self on the wrong end of a street fight....I am responding to this post only because someone asked to learn more about Che-lu....if you find the story and history hokey, than get beyond that and visit a dojo and see the actual art in motion..you can find fault in every art...if martial arts did not evolve, it would become obsolete.

TKD - Goju - Ketsugen - And I believe some Shorin and Shotokan, but I cant recall for sure - I know there were seven arts and a good portion of his training was at an authentic TKD monastery in Japan - as the story goes, he was a military son and he helped defend another kid in a street fight who was part of a monastery and was thus invited (as one of very few Americans) to train in the the monastery. I have no idea if this story is true, but it is what I was taught. - It is a shame that not more is shared about this art - That Kata's are beautiful - the core value was (in this order) Respect - Discipline - Intensity - over and over this is what we were taught - No disrespect but the story lines of the golden mantis, the dream of a tiger and dragon fighting and becoming one and the fact that he defended another kid who just happened to be a student in a TKD monastery in Japan and was invited as one of a handful of Americans has a movie just waiting to be made from it. Too reminiscent of Bloodsport, KungFu, etc. I've never heard of the art and am very wary when it comes to Westerner's creating their own art. They typically are a hodge-podge of techniques without true understanding of how to make them mold together. You mention Kata... What are the Kata? Do they have names we would recognize? Is there examples of them that can be watched (youtube, etc) What are the core principles and techniques of the art? Close techniques, long range techniques? What percentage split of punching/kicking? Etc., etc., etc. The question has been asked several times and we have gotten little more than a history lesson on the founder, his dreams and the like. What separates this art from others? How were the 7 arts put together and what are the 7 arts that you mentioned. How long did the founder study each of these arts? What grade (rank) did he attain in these arts? No disrespect but if you're going to introduce an art you should at minimum describe the art other than the history and Dojo Kun. How is it that a 25 year old holds a Judan? Get the duct tape because my head just exploded. Your art might be valid in terms of fighting but I can't buy into a 25 year old Judan. I'm not posting to engage in a debate of legitimacy - the original post asked for information regarding the art and that is why I shared...Visit the dojo and make your own assessment if that is what is important to you..

TKD - Goju - Ketsugen - And I believe some Shorin and Shotokan, but I cant recall for sure - I know there were seven arts and a good portion of his training was at an authentic TKD monastery in Japan - as the story goes, he was a military son and he helped defend another kid in a street fight who was part of a monastery and was thus invited (as one of very few Americans) to train in the the monastery. I have no idea if this story is true, but it is what I was taught. - It is a shame that not more is shared about this art - That Kata's are beautiful - the core value was (in this order) Respect - Discipline - Intensity - over and over this is what we were taught -

When I trained it was about helping kids get off the streets and helping young adults become better people and improve their life - that was before year long subscriptions and automatic payments - I remember kids washing floors and cleaning bathrooms to pay their tuition..and some who didnt pay at all, but no one ever knew because the black belts knew it was better to keep the kid in the dojo for free than it was to return them to the street - IE - Enlightenment, Love. Unity - we had no desire to become movie stars -

It was first introduced at the monadnock nh regional championships (when the school was still called Society of The Golden Mantis) - I thought the first Dojo was in Somersworth NH not Dover, but I could be mistaken