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Ok folks, anybody interested in training in Thailand? https://www.lannamuaythai.com (Chiang mai) Prices are ok, training is beside a mountain 'Doi Suthep' and you will get professional daily instruction by Thais. I have seen the camp and met some of the people running the camp... nice people but I prefer the more basic 'non-foreign' dominated camp. The camp I go to and will visit again this year is in a different area, also harder to stick because of the lack of white guys there. (doesnt mean it is better) If you fancy it reply and let me know and I could try and meet up with ya there in Chiang Mai and show you around. I'll more than likely be there from may to September. forgot to mention check out the boxer list!!! Eddie is a regular fighter at the local stadium... most farang who train there are not fighting so you dont see all the members of the camp.

In kick-boxing you will have a lot of limitations, no kicks below the waist and certainly no training without protection. I would maybe recommend starting with kick-boxing to get a feel of being hit hard, if you dont mind getting bloody and sore then after a while experiment with Muay Thai, so long as you find a good school (like any art) then you will progress well. The rules and regulations in competition will depend upon which country you are in, UK rules, on a general basis you are not allowed Elbow or knee strikes to the face or head, no spinning back fist or elbows are allowed. Muay Thai should be taught mostly as one on one, you will only spar with your fists and grapple with a variation of knee strikes that dont damage... the reason behind this is because you dont use protection so to minimise injuries you spar lightly in Muay Thai but usually boxing sparring with the fists is heavy. Grading is totally different, grades are represented by a small arm band with a buddha image inset, colours represent which level you are at. Grading is not the most important aspect of Muay Thai conditioning the body is! So long as you find a good teacher and a class which isnt too crowded you should get some good tuition. There are many schools everywhere which in my opinion are only out to make money and that stands for all MA forms. It takes you to ask around, pick up the phone and surf the internet. If you are in the USA then you are in luck, some of the best Thai Fighters ever have went to the USA to train and teach pupils. Not meaning to be biased I would say Muay Thai and conventional boxing are the forms to learn if defence and attack are what you want to learn.

http://www.muaythai.com/En/indexkon/indexkon.html Muay Thai is very misunderstood, misrepresented and finally underestimated by many other practitioners of other martial arts. It is a 2000 year old fighting system which has only recently been slightly watered down for the sake of competition. But, it still retains its old roots... You will be taught Mauy Thai for fighting either in or out of the ring, it is a Martial Art, it is not only for the Boxing Ring but in the Boxing ring is where you learn how to fight. I have fought in and out of the ring and a street fight differs simply because you have knives and guns to deal with and all sorts of other weapons and no corner man or rounds, common sense tells me that if a guy swings a bat at me I will automatically jump in close to him and head butt him... common sense, it is ridiculous to say that "...ah but in a street fight it will be defeated... The link I posted is one of the best Muay Thai technique sites available... learn some of the techniques, you will be surprised at just how much there is to learn!!! There are 100's of techniques and all without the use of gloves. Read it and be educated

BKJ1216 where are you? in which country? If in the UK there are some very good Muay Thai instructors, Master Sken, Sandy Holt (ex-karate) Sitnarong Mauy Thai. If you are of good physical build and have what it takes to endure Muay Thai training I would recommend that you spend a month or even longer in a Thai Boxing camp in Thailand. You will learn much more and much quicker. There are plenty to choose from and all with their own distinct style of attack and dicipline. Try to join a full thai camp (can be tough to convince the Thai who runs the camp you are worthy) because many camps that train mostly foreigners have been diluted, in other words you wont get 100% Muay Thai training... pain endurance! The Thais get very frustrated if you show a lack of commitment or ability to perform the roundhouse kick to their standards (Muay Thai roundhouse is the most powerful in all martial art forms, I am not being biased) You can have a fight every 2 weeks if you are up to it, I having dislocated my toe and cracked the tip of my shin bone along with various other injuries couldnt keep up with the Thai boxers... that is the reason why hey are so tough, some Thais I knew actually fought every night!!! EVERY NIGHT! while they were only show fights they did hit each other and hit each other hard. The usual is 3-4 competition fights a month, now try to imagine carrying an injury into another fight and then having to train hard 6 hours a day and then into another fight and so on.... man it is tough, it is one of the most toughest things I have possibily ever done in my life. You get hit and hurt that much that pain is basicly always there, there is no thought for belts but only those won in competition, the atmosphere is electric, the training focuses on power and defeating your oponent in the quickest and most effecient way possible... it is a matter of grabbing and viciously attacking your oponent till he drops that is how simple Muay Thai is and that is why it is so ferociously effective, there are no rules and routines only combonations and power.... I was always told to be like a snake, stand loose on the balls of my feet sort of dancing always moving so as my oponent doesnt know where my next hit is coming from, stalk like a snake, slow then attack quickly and back into the slow stalking dancing movements constantly picking parts of the body, that is what I was taught. I noticed they used a lot of different animals to describe movements, Elephants and tiger etc etc. Bruce Lee was a good fighter he also studied Muay Thai, Wing Chun and conventional boxing, what he used in 'real' fights was a combination of all 3, in his movies however he used fancy kicks and techniques that in practice are not effecient weapons of attack. The most effecient weapon is speed and power, the blow from your elbow has way more pounds per square inch concentrated into one area than in your fist for instance. The kick with your foot is softened because of the foot being 'loose' which absorbs the blow but if you use your shin bone then it can be like a bassball bat, also the Kick-Boxing technique and Karate where you kick and stop without following through reduces power where as the Muay Thai kick is followed through with all of your weight coming from your hip and standing on your toes while executing the roundhouse... this gives maximum power and complete control. But to watch a guy masterfully execute a complete kung-fu form is great, it looks so graceful, it is fantastic watching guys who are good!! But I have yet to witness a full demonstration of the power I am being told these forms have... I have seen many defeated in fights who have high grades in Kung-Fu, either it is them or it is a serious flaw in the art form they have chosen. I have no grade, I hold no belt and I dont care for belts the History and tradition of Thailand and Muay Thai is enough for me, they are beautiful people and very deceptive, do not underestimate a skinny looking thai guy 5 1/2 ft tall!!!! They are extremely proud of their nations martial art and I would go as far to say 80%, if not more, of all Thais know at least the basics of Mauy Thai... you need only to watch their sports channels, life in Thailand is dominated by Muay Thai and even the Tak Raw (volley ball with the feet) has similarities in Muay Thai! I am learning Thai Language, Muay Thai and will find it difficult to switch to another art form for self defence, I have done in the past but I know now I have found the ultimate in self defence. Note : there is also a weapons form of Muay Thai called Krabikrabong... read up on it, maybe some of you guys would prefer this than Muay Thai, it is with swords. Now my fighting is over, it can be left to the firey young 18 year olds... I have had enough excuse the long replies but I feel passionate about Mauy Thai. Appologies if I seem a little biased and arrogant

dober, keep your oponents body close to yours so he cannot get a knee into you, try to pull his head down so as you can ram your knee in his chin, keep your knees on the outside of his... understand? This helps maintain balance... a combo is this, both hands round his neck strike with the left knee then right then left then jump with the right knee to his chin or temple. Remember to always keep your knees on the outside of your oponents (in your stance) and always to have your arms on the inside of his. You will find that you will have more dominance over your oponent. Just ram those knees, but dong a side knee is a little more tricky, try swinging the knee into your oponents floating rib, like a kick but with the knee.

QUOTE : "Have u ever been in a serious fight without a judge and a ring" To answer that, yes I have, and to be honest I have been in quite a few street fights... sometimes I have been in a big brawl with my mates and sometimes one on one. I was brought up living in a rough nieghbour hood, fighting goes with the territory. I dont boast about it and I dont like to show off my record or my scars... the only way to know if you are cracked up to be what you say you are is by fighting. simple. A lot of martial artists cannot fight... I am trying to not be offensive, I will try to word this correctly. Most know their art form well and they have a lot of grace and beautiful posture while executing particular techniques... but I have and probably will continue to defeat ranking Kung Fu artists and Karate, ok ok I am boasting a little but what do you want me to say? I would gladfully say what was correct if it were to be proven to me by physical contact that Muay Thai is not the ultimate martial art (for me anyhow it is the ultimate) It has not failed me yet, I have taken 2 men at the same time in Sydney Australia while on holiday, one had a small stick and both were asian, the older one tried to kick me, yes!! kick on the street I dropped him and I dropped the other pretty quickly. That is me and that is my attitude in a fight and I will not stop. I am not boasting and here is a link to one of my very first fights ever. http://www.prokick.com/Events/April01/ScotlandApril0.htm My name is Darran Thompson and I fought the guy called Steve Kitchiner. this guy was strong and hammered me good in the first round. My kicking Technique is Muay Thai. Muay Thai is not only a ring sport, Muay Thai is 2000 years old and has defended Thailand. Thailand is the Only S.East Asian country never to foreignly colonised... ask youself why. There are countless strories about Muay Thai bouts between the Burmese, these no glove fights, groin hits allowed no pause inbetween rounds... is this what you had imagined Muay Thai was? What you see and probably know about Muay Thai is maybe limited, the basic knee and elbow strikes... It is the science of the eight limbs, that is all parts of your body. The only flaw which I see in Muay Thai and have been explained why there is no real reason for there not being a good solid counter is : when you are floored there isnt much you can do, there is limitations, I asked why and the reason was "you never want to find youself on the ground in the first place" in other words you fight till you are beaten and if you are beaten then that is it, the Thais posses this sick kind of ability to carry on, I can guarantee that you may think you can take a Thai in a bout in or out of the ring but you will find in extremely tough. Unless you are a seasoned fighter. I am talking guys who are 23 and have 300+ fights under their belts, fights with the ferocity of a street fight. That is something to respect not many fighters can bast fight records such as those that Thais hold. read this, http://krurex.tripod.com/history.htm http://www.usadojo.com/aboutmuaythai.htm goodluck

my friend please dont try to argue QUOTE : "In several of my previous threads I brought up MuayThai being the best stand up art and eventually had thread closed,because too many people disagreed and would argue that,which cause many fights and insults in the threads and everyone claiming their art to be the better one." It is useless... People train hard at what they do for many different reasons and to start stating that their chosen martial art form is useless is an insult and you are being ignorant, there are flaws in Muay Thai and I believe if we could take a lot from Muay Thai, Wing Chun and conventional boxing we would have a mighty effective all round fighting art form. It does stand that no other martial art has ever defeated Muay Thai only Muay Thai has defeated Muay Thai but that is a ring sport... there is a difference. There is an old style of Muay Thai, the use of bare hand fighting, the science of the eight limbs, this I believe to be the ultimate martial art (that is my opinion) I also respect other martial artists and their art forms, it takes dedication and hard fxxking work to be good at what you do and respect is part of it.

Hello folks, I have been participating in Kick-Boxing (competition) and havent lost yet... My general height and weight is 180cm and 71 kilo I am slender. I have read that a lot of people are curious about Muay Thai... I switched from Kick-Boxing to Muay Thia as soon as I could, to be honest I have trained in Kung Fu, Karate and Kick-Boxing and none come close to the power of Muay Thai. I went to Thailand to compete and train in a camp in Northern Thailand called S.Anucha, I stayed for almost half a year training 6 hours a day and fighting shows and fights for money. We had great competition with a local camp called Lanna Muay Thai which had mostly foreign boxers. We had a few other fighters trained in other systems and martial arts visit our camp to experience the power of Lanna Muay Thai (Lanna is a period of history in Thailand, Old style Muay Thai) These guys coming from mostly france were fantastic at what they did, they had grace and every move looked perfect, LOOKED!!! in practice however these artists trained in other systems other than Muay Thai didnt have much of a chance in physical combat with a fighter trained in Muay Thai, one thing is the pain, the conditioning of the shins and the extreme training methods used. I witnessed young boys getting cained and sometimes they bit their lips till bleeding to try and subdue the pain from a leg kick, these leg kicks along with Knees and Elbows are very decisive in a fight, the pain that follows from a direct leg kick is hard to imagine and no amount of preparation can get you ready for it, it is all mental. Elbow techniques and Knee techniques are a very high part of training in Thailand, grapple, knees and elbows are what make Muay Thai. The Thais see all other Martial arts as 'boring' (I mean no offence) as after speaking with them they explained that no other fighter trained in any other martial art has ever defeated a top ranking Nak Muay (Thai Warrior) only Muay Thai has defeated Muay Thai or techniques taken from Muay Thai have made a fight decisive. I fought and won inside 4 minutes against a Thai, this wasnt because I was merely conditioned, bare in mind 95% of all foreigners who train in Thailand rarely last 2 weeks, this is a mental thing.... you are either a fighter or you are not, no amount of training will ever make you a fighter, you can have absolute knowledge of a particular art form but in practivce you forget everything and crumble to pressure, you shite yourself to put it bluntly, you are then not a fighter, you have no 'venom'. Or you could have a very basic knowledge and win!!! Because of your heart. Remember why you are learning your chosen art form, try to reason why you want to have the knowledge that is being passed to you, is it for fighting? fitness? or to look good? Not many people actually compete and in my opinion competing (not sparring) is the greatest test of all for your ability as a fighter and how much heart you have. And most importantly dont abuse your knowledge... keep your fists in your pockets and talk your way out of trouble, it is not good to get a criminal record or even risk your own life because of lack of self control. Take my word for it. Muay Thai is effective, very much so, it is dangerous because of the ferocity of the elbow and knee techniques and can easily kill an unconditioned person so to keep the art form growing dont fxxk it up for others by giving it a bad name Learn it and respect it.