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I agree it would be fun to experiment, and I will. I agree, and this was my very first post. We are all happy believing what we have seen and have done. I'm sorry you take it this way, as you will see from my previous posts, I have been enjoying the discussion and have had no intention of attacking you. I just don't understand why you are not prepared to take a look at things. It's just a comment, that's all. That's fine, I don't have a problem with your skeptisism. There are many who do. I can only talk of my practise.

Yes I can most of the time, and I am only 4th dan. Those that are higher grade and who have practised longer than me can do it every time. thaiboxerken: You call me gulible, but by your own admission, all your evidence you talk about with regards to Ki being false, and all of the links you posted earlier are all you can go on. Other peoples words. You have no experience to talk of. Yes I know you think it's all 'trickery' but you haven't even experienced this 'trickery' first hand. In my mind that makes you gulible, because you believe other people unconditionally. No doubt you will come back with more negative comments, but are they your own, or what you have read somewhere?

This is where you are totally wrong through lack of experience. Because you have not experienced it, you believe it not to be true. That is a closed mind if ever there was one. This is part of our practise. Like I said, go and watch a Ki Aikido lesson. A lot of people seem to think that it is easy to push over a large amount of people, but when asked if they have ever tried, I get no comment. It was 66 people actually. Why does that seem silly? Genuine question.

The example I first described was different from this in two main ways, Firstly, all of the people lined up had their hands on the hips of the person in front of them Secondly, it was the one person pushing the 60 plus people. Drunken Monkey, I like your comments above. The Ki I practise and believe is not mystical. With practise, you know when somebody is going to attack you, even from behind, before their body moves in any way. The mind does rule the body. How can you hit somebody without your mind telling your body what to do first. Only when somebody has an illness does their body act any other way. You may not call this KI, but how can you explain this with 'body mechanics'?

thaiboxerken, I can't get this link to work. Is it correct? http://www.wuweitaichi.com/photo-picnic.php I still can't understand, for $1000,000 your not interested in a little bit of investigation.

You say I am wrong not to face the challenge, but you back away from this one. I was one of these 60+ students and believe me, I wanted to stay there. I was in the first ten and I could not stay there if that $1000,000 was offered to me. You give your explanation to this "trick". Have a go at this at your club using your explanation and let me know how you get on.

With you, the glass is always half empty isn't it. Where is your sense of adventure? How would you explain that one elderly man could push over over 60 black belt, well coordinated students, lined up in a row, with one hand? Mere strength could not do this, or could you, or is this just another trick you don't want to see. It's hard to have a decent debate on any topic when the other person dismisses everything you say with out even taking time to thing about it.

If the money you keep on about is so important to you, why don't you take a look at Ki Aikido. You may make yourself a millionaire. You seem to tell me I am a fool for not taking the challenge at the JREF site. Why not investigate, you may become very rich. Explain that one a bit more. I won't bother to give any examples yet, as whatever I describe would only be treated without any thought being given to it. Whatever I say you refuse to consider with an open mind.

This is where you show your complete lack of knowledge about the subject. It's nothing to do with a warm fuzzy feeling. It is things that are practised on the mat that you would easily be able to see. You say you don't need to see 'tricks' as you know that's all they are. Why, whenever I suggest you go take a look, do you just dismiss it saying you have no need? Are you frightened to be shown that your 'beliefs' may be wrong? What happened to that open mind? Your comment above shows you don't know much about Ki. You are way off line here. I would like to know how you can make this out to be a cult. Well I think you do, no matter how much you don't seem to want to.

Well that's true, but aren't many things this way also. You only know what you know about your art by what you have seen and what you have been told haven't you? How do you know they are tricks if you haven't been bothered to see them? Scientists tell us it should be impossible for the bee to fly, yet it does. Does that make the bee wrong to fly? Not true, I am asking you to take a look first hand to see if your oinion still holds. How do you know if you don't even look? Agreed. I have what I have seen and what I have been able to do. You put up a good arguement, even though I think we will never agree.

I am talking from a more authoritative position than you on the subject as I went to study Ki Aikido and looked at what was being taught and how. (With that open, not gulible mind) Very poor arguement when you revert to insults really isn't it. I know, and I have challenged you to go and watch, or even take part in a Ki Aikido lesson. Let me know when you have. I think we are back where I first entered this thread.

Read what I have said, not what you think I have said. Anyway, you have your opinion, and when you have taken a look at Ki Aikido, let me know, and then you can talk from a more authorititive position.

Have you ever attended a Ki Aikido class? I would be interested in your opinion. As for the prize money, there are far more experienced practitioners of Ki than me. I don't know if they would be able to prove it or not, but I probably am not advanced enough yet, compared to some of the feats I have seen. Contrary to popular belief, money is not the be all and end all for everybody. I am comfortably off, although not a millionaire

Why should I need to prove anything about Ki. I enjoy what I do, I have seen many amazing things, none of which you would believe. To be honest with you thaiboxerken, the one thing I ask from any new student is to come with an open mind. Obviously this is one quality you don't possess. That's your choice, not my problem.

I can show you what I have been taught, what more would you expect me to be able to do? You say that because we can't necessarily prove to you that Ki doesn't exist, it doesn't. Can you prove it doesn't?

Why is everybody getting so up tight about all of this. I believe that Ki exists, and I practise what is called Ki Aikido. If somebody doesn't believe that Ki exists, so what. That's their opinion. It's just as valid as mine. I don't feel the need to prove anything to anybody. If they come to my classes, I teach them what I have been taught, it's then up to them to make their own mind up.

I believe every living animal has Ki. Ki is the life energy so when you don't have ki, well, you can guess what state you are in. Aikido and Ki are not for everybody. Sometimes people want to learn self defence in a lot shorted amount of time. It depends what you want out of any art. I started wanting self defence and keep kit. Although I now have both, this is not really why I still practise. Firstly, I practise because I love it. It's so interesting and there is always that bit more to learn and that bit better you can do a technique. Secondly, if I had to sum up in one word what my practise of Ki Aikido has given me, it would be confidence. Not just confidence in a confrontational situation, but in all aspects of life. To get up in front of a crowd and talk, or the confidence to do something I wouldn't even have attempted 12 years ago. The good things about these forums is that people can express their opinion. We don't all have to agree, and there are many times when I don't always agree with what I have read, or heard, but I don't disrespect their opinion none the less. Great forums.

An excellent description Jem618. I have practised Ki Aikido for twelve and a half years. It is very difficult to explain KI, and when you demonstrate it's uses people are often very sceptical. This is very true. We all have Ki, but to what extent it is developed is down to us. All arts have Ki, but it's not always recognised. Ki makes you very aware, so somebody you think is very fast is just very aware - of the partners Ki. Learning the exercises takes time, but to develop Ki takes a lot longer. So true. Again true. Some things I have seen, would have to be seen to be believed, but not everybody looks at other arts with an open mind.

Hi, only just joined myself. CONGRATULATIONS on the 3rd Dan.

I personally don't think that a 13 year old can have the strength of mind to be the equivilant of an adult black belt. This is not to say that they may not have the technical ability of the grade. Just my opinion, as all of the posts are just peoples opinions. I don't know enough about other arts to comment on. The art I practise relies a lot on KI, whick takes a lot of understanding and practise. Ki can only be developed over a number of years, no mater how good the technical side of the students ability.

Thank everybody for the really warm welcome. Kensai - The same federation as you.

Hi. I have just come accross this forum the other day and it's very interesting and informative. I have been practising Ki Aikido for about eleven years now, and I have been teaching for over five years.