BBuilder

Oh and since you are already here and I see you are active in Kempo and TKD which style do you prefer?

I'm not totally clear on it but what I understood was he got to a level where the class instructor was not much more advanced than him and he would have had to pay for seperate lessons with someone else. If it sounds "fishy" it is because you misunderstand me, not because I'm BSing you which I have no reason to do obviously.

My father trained at a Villari studio in West Palm for several years (i don't know if it is even open anymore) and was a First degree black belt and would have soon become a second degree if he wouldn't have dropped it. I know very little about Karate and Kempo and do not train but I am going to start soon and will probably go with this style. From what he has told me his instructor was very good but he wasn't able to train him once he got more advanced so would have had to take private lessons. This is when he stopped.