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I wonder what would happen if you trained a Kung Fu Sansoo Black Belt to fight in the cage? Teaching him BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai so he knows what he's up against. I think it would be really interesting.

Exactly! Very well put.

If I can just jump in on this, JusticeZero (perhaps unintentionally) brings up an interesting point. At the moment the only real arena where fighters are tested is MMA. So you only get experimentation with striking/grappling styles that will fair well under those rules. No Taiji practitioner or Aikido practitioner is going to do particular well in that environment as the styles aren't based around pain compliance and striking. So anyway, my point is because you're not getting that experimentation for competition purposes and apart from a few ambitious individuals, nobody is really trying to mix these styles up and cross-train them with other styles. Does this mean that styles like Taiji and Aikido are a lot more "traditional" because nobody has tried to develop them in a way that would work for a neo-MMAist? I think it would be quite an interesting experiment to take something like Taiji and try to work it into a fighting style. Excellent point! Very well put.

Yeah, but I think MMA has pushed more TMA's to get off their bums and train more realistically. Traditional forms need to train more realistically so they can evolve. The techiniques work fine if they were just spend some time practicing against resisting opponents. That's all I meant.

I think it's experimenting with techniques from MA's that are not normally seen in the ring. Yes, physical capabilities have a lot to do with it as well. I don't like the attitude that some people have about TMA's being outdated or the only MA's that "really work" are those used in cage fighting. My belief is to always have an edge. If everyone trains the same way in MMA then it will be just like Boxing. The guy with the most endurance and more talent will win.....not necessarily in that order, but you get the gist. MMA should evolve and adapt other styles, tactics to keep expanding.

I don't agree with that. We haven't seen everything yet, so how can you know that? I use Budo Taijutsu techniques all the time in MMA and BJJ class and it's always my edge over people. Look at Lyoto Machida, Shotokan and BJJ. He's a great fighter with a so called unorthodox style. More are coming I promise.

Catch Wrestling!

It's funny how practicing difficult techniques long enough makes them seem simple to someone that has drilled them 1000 plus times. It's not taught as a instant kill defense move by the way. It's a very weak part of the body and if you understand that the wrist lock happens by moving your whole body you'll realize how size really doesn't matter all that much. If he starts to resist, you stomp the knee or hip. They'll forget about the wrist at that point and you can crank it fast and hard. Try it this way if you'd like. Face your training partner, grab his right wrist with your left hand for Omote Gyaku. Right when you do that, with your right hand smack him in the face to get him to flinch back, at that moment crank the wrist lock on while moving your rotating your entire body trying to basically stand next to him, right hip to his left and drop to avoid his right hand if he strikes. This has rarely ever failed for me. Practice makes permanent so practice it correctly. I could say the same thing about arm bars. I've avoided so many I can't even count, but I don't doubt the effectiveness of an arm bar.

Yes I think if you can fight with "No Mind" you will be more effective. I was watching Olympic Divers, Pole Vaulters,....etc. They all seem to be able to reach "No Mind" through their training and they definitely use it to perform in front of thousands of people. I think the better you can empty your mind of clutter, the better off you will be in all aspects of your life.

That guy looks pretty solid! Watching the throws into the submissions like that, does make them look quite effective. Is the uke trying to resist, though? Or is he playing for the commercial? Check out some his competitions on Youtube. He's older now, but when he was competing he was no joke. He beat Eddie Bravo in competition. It's great to see someone that knows Judo that well go master BJJ too. To me that's a really well rounded grappler.

Dave's amazing. Check out some of his matches. You are exactly right and that's my point. Pick the throws will keep you in a strong controlling position.

Check out the way Dave Camarillo goes from throws to submissions and notice how he keeps his back straight after the throw so that it would be very difficult for the guy on the ground to attack from there.

"However, this is because many judo throws leave the tori (thrower) open to a ground attack and having little control once the fight hits the ground. In a Judo match, it's over. However, in a BJJ match, if you hit the ground without positive control of the opponent, you're likely in trouble." Joe agree with you to an extent. I see what you are saying about the thrower being open to a ground attack. However if 2 BJJers know the same Judo throws, the person that gets the throw might have the upper hand from that point forward. Also, sometimes the throw knocked some wind out of the opponent and often times is disoriented which would give you more time to go straight to a submission. I just feel that Judo and Traditional Jujutsu throws should be looked at more carefully, because feel they would fit better with BJJ.

Don't feel too bad. He was attacking other people and he attacked you. You did the right thing. You've hopefully taught him an important lesson. Maybe this will turn things around for him. You acted out of compassion. Good work!

I couldn't agree more. Very well put. I'm always telling people that BJJ should have never gotten rid of all the Judo throws and instead they incorporated Wrestling throws. No disrespect to Wrestling, but Judo throws and BJJ are from the same family and would work seamlessly.