Wing Chun

you lot are misunderstanding. Bruce's style was the best. not JKD, but his individual style that had no gaps that could be used in all situations. his personal JKD may not have been the best it would have been greta if he had lived to develop it but he wouldnt have. i belive in an ideal Bruce Lee style people would come to learn this 'ultimate' martial art. the instructors would asses every student individualy and each would learn in a way a different martial art, one student would devote 3 times as much time to kicks as another. they would develop each students own personal martial art and allow him/her to blossom.

hello. KOF. i dont know whether im with you or against. ur confusing me. i think Muay Thai and Wing Chun would make an absolutely lethal stand up combination and i think would destroy any other as a stand up art. but we are talking about complete training, so bjj would be perfect to take care of the grappling side if it does go to the ground. that is perfect as it is then. but ok if u mean totally complete in terms of weapons training aswell then escrima (kali) is self explanatory. i was totally in ur supprt. then you changed. u were wrong there. let me explain. wing chun would be actually good with bjj, because of its lethal extreme close range power, ranges considered to be nothing but for grappling and grabbing, now ill refer back to this later. dim mak is nerve striking/ close range power etc. it is not a martial art. it is similar to 'iron palm' training. it is not a martial art it is a method very common method however of training the hands to become like iron. dim mak is a method of striking usually with fingers, it can be learnt seperately but is better as part of an art so you can learn better application and how others not trained would react etc. wing chun is one of the main martial arts containing dim mak, in wing chuns 3rd form, labelled as the emergency form, Bil Jee (thrusting fingers), it is basically dim mak. so i think therefor it is much better to learn wing chun and it other benefits, speed, leverage control, reflex tarining from chi sao etc than just to learn dim mak on it own. then u mentioned chin na. that itself is a sub style, style within a style it is called, it is a method of in a way grappling, but still u cant say a sub style would beat wing chun an i mean why is the bjj there then?? i still say Wing Chun, Muay Thai, and BJJ as the most dangerous and complete cross training style out there. Escrima yes for weapons training aswell but u cant get much better than that but lets stay with empty hand for now. i ask you which 3-4 martial arts would be the best to cross train in to make the ultimate martial art and why? thank you and sorry for such a long post

thank you jeffin i think it is possible. could you please give a description of both again with a bit more detail so i can really say how wing chun would deal with the hook if i have got it wrong. thanks. no one has answered the other question i posed about wing chun actually versus boxing in ring and on street.

i think lee would win but i dont think 'coz hes powerful' is the nest reason. Lee had adaptability, he knew a lot about different styyles and had his own personal style. also i think he had mor fighting experience. hey monkeygirl.. shes a sensai everyone so u better all show respect. lol

i think you have to respect the fact that they are so strong i mean simply with bodys that muscular and strong they could really Ko someone with a punch, imagine the strenght behind it. however UFC are trained fighters and i dont think they could take fighting pain esspecially well, i mean the pain is different. it snot pain from enduring a 200kg weight, its things which penetrate, i mean a sort of 'whipping' kind of power that Bruce Lee said. i really reckon however that grappler would have a very hard time, i mean lets see you apply the guard position on them, they would crush you. you have to imagine how strong they are. a striker would have a much better chance. another thing, many martial arts wer ebuilt on the basis of overcoming the stronger opponent, so if they dont work on there guys when will they? im sure they do. i mean a really fast martial artist could give a few really solid strikes everynow and then, i think a hit and run strategy would be required. a few eye pokes, punches and maybe wear him down with some kicks to his knee. it would be a good fight. i think this does say to grapplers though that sometimes you need striking, you cant always assume you can grapple just as you can always assume you can strike.

i still say ive found tan sao the most effective way to deal with a hook. you could from there chain punch him, elbow strikes or i thought how about minimizing his next hook if he gets one. at the point at which his hook meets your 'tan sao' his bicep muscle would be tense. if you've got a good chop and know how to strike with the 'chopping' part of your hand, you could chop his bicep, which will damage the muscle for a little while at least. so whats the opinions on wing chun versus boxing anyway? 1) in the ring 2) on the street my opinions are, in the ring obviouslyboxing coz wing chun cant really use gloves. on the street its hard, coz boxing is a tremendous art. but i think wing chun would win. wing chun does have kicks, low ones which can work. footwork is evry good in both arts. blocking wing chun has the advantage but boxers would be every fast but if the wing chunner is as fast as he should be, explosive then he should win. also if both are advanced it would be more interesting. the boxer would be faster more pwerful etc. but then so would the wing chunner but by that time he may have also be studying 'bil jee', the so called emergency form. the techniques in there are very powerful and i dont think a boxer would be able to handle them.

thank you very much Martial Artist. Treebranch how do you feel now? as for sticky hands it is a training thing, just like shadow boxing or katas. films may show the main 'hero' or whatever use such well known training methods for effect so people know he is training for a fight. wing chun can only look good to those who are really into simple fast movements. i mean some guy walking up a tight corridor and getting rushed he might use wing chun to very swiftly deal with them. but some wing cun techniques may be used for a second but wing chun primarily??? i dont think so. people liek seeing acrobatic moves and flowery movements that LOOK efficient, whats wrong with that? i like seeing them like that aswell. but trust me wing chun cant be modified to look acrobatic. some can enjoy watching it however but please dont put it in the same category of the arts that are used in films. thank you.

maybe he means to be garndmaster or something i dunno. but i think that is going too far. i know it is a lifetime journey but yeah, i mean you could even master it as in learn everything to do with it within 5 years, to be super proficient 10 years. 15 years i believe would really put you up there. if u havent mastered a system then how can you teach? that means that every hung gar sifu has trained for 25-30 years? i dont think so. ask your friend for a bit more detail.

okay im going to try rephrasing this so no one is 'ofended'. Treebranch my dear frind, if you do not know about a martial art then i think the most correct course of action would be to not comment at all. u were very very wrong, but that ur ur fault - u were simply misinformed anyway you mentioned how styles like wing chun are sused because they look good on film. that is very incorrect. films like flashy moves - high kicks, and long movements etc. wing chun is nothing like that, it revolves around simplicity with the sole purpose of destroying the opponent. jeet kune do maybe because some persons individual expression of jeet kune do may involve flashy moves. wushu yes. please may i every plotely ask where you got this informationt hat wing chun was style made to look good? also haveyoiu done any research on wing chun? and finally have i made you aware of this error. if you have any queries regarding wing chun please dont hesitate to contact me. thank you

well there isnty always time to 'read' what to do. you have to move on instict and reactions. and Anzie i think shootfighting basically is bjj/muay thai. i think that is a great combination and very efficient. not the bjj bit tho, bjj may be very effective but i think thats their purpose, lethal wise its about what can do the most damage, so i think muay thai is up there.

that was very well said Lee. i think us two just wrapped up the thread but might as well keep it going. so Lee do you do wing chun? and not whats yle? and where do you study?

ive told you again. do the wing chun method. let his arm meet you. position your tan sao, if your tan sao is positioned correctly and your torsu and footwork are also correct he will not be able to make the connection. so ok you 'meet' his wrist, arm or whatever. then you dont give him a hoo, you give hima straight punch , or should i say a turing punch. your hip should generate energy into the punch while the other side of your hip in effect moves you back. but ok if you are fast enough you could simply move back and dodge it.

dim mak is usually considered the highest form of pressure and nerve attacks but it isnt an art as such, its an art the same way as 'iron plam fist'. its not a sperate 'martial' art. but manys tyles do incorpoarte dim mak or prssure strikes. my wing chun school does but we are free to experiment so we learn from each other. but i would say make a list of all the dojos in the area, you are most likely to find the stuff your looking for in a chinese art but still list the arts, then visit them and ask general questions, ask about the art, then you simply ask does it involve dim mak or pressure/ nerve strikes. preying mantis may also meet your criteria.

i dont know too much about the plot but in the film jet li beats a lot of karate black belts. now jet li markets wushu, which some people consider a generic term for chinese martial arts. and that guy obviously thought that karate represented the japanese arts. so when he saw wushu beat karate in a way he thought it was trying to portray chinese martial arts superiority .over japanese martial arts. ::EDIT by monkeygirl - keep it respectful. EDIT::

yeah bjj is good. but if you mean lethal as in destructive direct power, then it would geenrally have to be a striking art. i would say something like wing chun, muay thai, san shou would be lethal.