well done, i like full contact aswell, as jack said, its the adrenilin rush, it gets u into fighting spirit. Doug, it is good to enter everything, then you get more chanceto be the best you can be. how long have you all been doing karate, or kickboxing, or whatever it is you do?? i have been training for....about elleven months now, i love it, and im not gonna stop, i want my black belt!!!! peace Ang :angel: