Hi wingchundroo, No offence taken Im sure. I dont think wing chun is an incomplete art, however I dont think that being insulated from other martial arts / artists is a good idea. If you dont train with a grappler either by learning from them or sparring with them, how do you know that your art will be effective against someone with a grapplers game plan? You will never know, it will all just be theory. I have no illusions about being able to beat a grappler at his own game as I dont spend all my time grappling but I have learnt a lot about positioning on the ground, how to get up safely etc that most wing chun schools simply doesn't teach. Understanding how a grapplers mind works will help you find applications in your own art that you wouldn't have thought of if you were insulated. My gameplan is to stay stood up too but I cant always guarantee that will happen. What happens if I am tackled from behind? Grappling is unsafe against multiple opponents - I agree, and I would never want to roll around with a knifeman. BUT if you train with a grappler, you will learn how to control this range and how to disengage without giving him the gift of the arm bar or the mount etc. By the way, wingchundroo, I checked out your profile and the website - COOL!!!. I also noticed a seminar on groundfighting by JKDs Rick Young. Now why do you think a Wing Chun school would want to do that? LOL