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I LOVE THIS IDEA!!! I'm a Nak Muay AND a HUGE CCG and board game fan! This would be a must buy! I think the game i'm thinking of is the Dragon Ball CCG (I could be wrong about which game) but I THINK they have mechanic where you can set up combos and then the opponents can do counters (like instants in magic the gathering)....if not those would be some good elements to add! Also, maybe a position mechanic? for different range off attacks? I love the idea, but maybe a way to "expand" on the idea, is to have it be more like a "K-1" , instead of muay thai, where you could have different stand up styles and techniques...this would add to the depth of techniques and game strategies. Just a thought. Either way, keep me updated!

That would be legs kicks i'm assuming? As that always been the achillies hill to american kickboxing. While the style does make using round house kicks more difficult, it DOES open up side kicks and side teeps and other kicks, like hook kick, which can be very powerful if done correctly Sure, just not as powerful as your classic thai roundhouse. Discussions over which is "better" is really a discussion on strategy. The good thing about the sideways kicks is that they're fast at the expense of power- both to deliver and move afterwards. These fighters are usually out of the pocket quickly after they've hit their opponent, leaving very little in terms of a counter attack. The good thing about the thai roundhouse is the commitment to the strike- it'll break whatever it hits- hands, arms, faces, legs- it represents a full committment to hitting your opponent. Thats the problem though- committment. Your typical MMA fighter will eat a leg kick to get a takedown because frankly its worth it. So theres a triad now of A beat B B beats C, C beats A.... who you're fighting is going to determine what strategy may or may not be better. couldn't agree more. I've done Muay Thai as the majority of my martial arts training....The interest in American KB comes from learning shotokan at the recent and how well it can flow combined with traditional boxing, which gave me and insight and feeling for how KB works.Curious... what made you start shotokan? There was a lot of reasons...I wasn't able to train Muay Thai, and my friend who is a shotokan instructor offered to train me for free, if I would help out cross training her students in muay thai/help with the sparring, to mix it up. One reason I took it up, was at the time I was focused on trying to fight MMA, and the thing I like about Shotokan, and the biggest interest point actually: The blocks. In boxing/muay thai, a lot of defense techniques are based/rely on gloves. I took interested in shotokan to learn defense techniques that would seem more suited for MMA/bareknuckle. and its been good! Taught me a lot of new striking strategies, new techniques. A lot of the stuff is great, and can be used very well in full contact situation or MMA, but it requires some adjustment to make it more suited for such situations. But it had a lot of similar fundimentals to boxing I found, with the stance, application of techniques. This is where I found interested in American kickboxing, from the similarties and how well i found it meshed. Who were you learning Muay thai from and how do they "rely" on the gloves for their defensive techniques? I'll offer a thought experiment: These are two completely different statements: Muay thai relies on using the gloves for blocks My muay thai relies on using the gloves for blocks. They gloves to catch attack and uses them for blocks. I've trained at many places, but my main instructor who taught me the most Muay Thai is guy named Neal Rowe, out of Sacan Martial arts in Cincinnati Ohio. He was rich Franklins muay thai coach and he's trained just about every fighter that made it big in Cincinnati just about. He's Kru under a thai fighter named Saekson JanJira

That would be legs kicks i'm assuming? As that always been the achillies hill to american kickboxing. While the style does make using round house kicks more difficult, it DOES open up side kicks and side teeps and other kicks, like hook kick, which can be very powerful if done correctly Sure, just not as powerful as your classic thai roundhouse. Discussions over which is "better" is really a discussion on strategy. The good thing about the sideways kicks is that they're fast at the expense of power- both to deliver and move afterwards. These fighters are usually out of the pocket quickly after they've hit their opponent, leaving very little in terms of a counter attack. The good thing about the thai roundhouse is the commitment to the strike- it'll break whatever it hits- hands, arms, faces, legs- it represents a full committment to hitting your opponent. Thats the problem though- committment. Your typical MMA fighter will eat a leg kick to get a takedown because frankly its worth it. So theres a triad now of A beat B B beats C, C beats A.... who you're fighting is going to determine what strategy may or may not be better. couldn't agree more. I've done Muay Thai as the majority of my martial arts training....The interest in American KB comes from learning shotokan at the recent and how well it can flow combined with traditional boxing, which gave me and insight and feeling for how KB works.Curious... what made you start shotokan? There was a lot of reasons...I wasn't able to train Muay Thai, and my friend who is a shotokan instructor offered to train me for free, if I would help out cross training her students in muay thai/help with the sparring, to mix it up. One reason I took it up, was at the time I was focused on trying to fight MMA, and the thing I like about Shotokan, and the biggest interest point actually: The blocks. In boxing/muay thai, a lot of defense techniques are based/rely on gloves. I took interested in shotokan to learn defense techniques that would seem more suited for MMA/bareknuckle. and its been good! Taught me a lot of new striking strategies, new techniques. A lot of the stuff is great, and can be used very well in full contact situation or MMA, but it requires some adjustment to make it more suited for such situations. But it had a lot of similar fundimentals to boxing I found, with the stance, application of techniques. This is where I found interested in American kickboxing, from the similarties and how well i found it meshed.

That would be legs kicks i'm assuming? As that always been the achillies hill to american kickboxing. While the style does make using round house kicks more difficult, it DOES open up side kicks and side teeps and other kicks, like hook kick, which can be very powerful if done correctly Sure, just not as powerful as your classic thai roundhouse. Discussions over which is "better" is really a discussion on strategy. The good thing about the sideways kicks is that they're fast at the expense of power- both to deliver and move afterwards. These fighters are usually out of the pocket quickly after they've hit their opponent, leaving very little in terms of a counter attack. The good thing about the thai roundhouse is the commitment to the strike- it'll break whatever it hits- hands, arms, faces, legs- it represents a full committment to hitting your opponent. Thats the problem though- committment. Your typical MMA fighter will eat a leg kick to get a takedown because frankly its worth it. So theres a triad now of A beat B B beats C, C beats A.... who you're fighting is going to determine what strategy may or may not be better. couldn't agree more. I've done Muay Thai as the majority of my martial arts training....The interest in American KB comes from learning shotokan at the recent and how well it can flow combined with traditional boxing, which gave me and insight and feeling for how KB works.

That would be legs kicks i'm assuming? As that always been the achillies hill to american kickboxing. While the style does make using round house kicks more difficult, it DOES open up side kicks and side teeps and other kicks, like hook kick, which can be very powerful if done correctly

I'm trying to create a new format of full contact competition for karate, in a rule set that will allow Karateka to be able to use their full arsonal of attacks in a more realistic format than both Kyokushin and Shotokan. Basicly think if Shotokan sparring had leg kicks and elbows and was continuous and full contact.

I agree! I mean "underrated" in the sense that the way it flows punchs and kicks together, its techniques and style of fighting, are overlooked in favor of muay Thai. From personal experience, I started off with boxing and Tae Kwon do. I then went on to do Muay Thai for about 10 years, which is my predominate style I guess you would say... But after learning Shotokan Karate for year, and focusing on my boxing, American kickboxing, to me, feels "natural" because it feels like an amazing blend of boxing and karate (which IS what it is historically) and for me, feels more "right" personally. Though keep in mind i'm used to leg kicks, knees, and elbows...I still believe KB has a lot of potential that is being overlooked, as you said, because of MMA. All those fighters, were all amazing. Benny The jet is one of my all time favorite fighters in ANYTHING

So as times progress, American kickboxing, as it appears to me, is a dying art, taking back stage to Muay Thai and other styles. As I study the history of the art, mostly when it came down to "KB vs Muay thai" fights, I noticed a few things KB'ers, American style, usually did pretty damn good against thai stylist. The way they blended Karate and traditional boxing make for a unique style that blended to each other very well. KB weakness, being the lack of leg kicks. Every knows this. But if you look at fighters today, who have a traditional karate/Kickboxing background, like Raymond Daniels, and Stephan Wonderboy Thomas for example, they're amazing strikers, and they're style is or is similar to american kickboxing. I feel if you adjust this style to deal with leg kicks appropratly, you got a potential force to deal with. Keep in mind I said THIS STYLE. The emphasis on the side stand, the using of side kicks as jabs, ext. NOT K1 style of fighitng, but American kickboxing. So does anyone else feel its an underrated style?

I'm thinking about something like that, or "shin-kumite"

I must have wrote something wrong. YOU CAN KICK BELOW THE BELT!!!. your are correct about the clinching. You can a standiing or jump knee to the head, you can use ONE hand to control an opponents head for 3 seconds and strike to knee, but thats it. there is NO THAI CLINCH Let me be clear, that doesn't mean groin kicks, NO GROIN SHOTS!! But leg kicks are legal.

I must have wrote something wrong. YOU CAN KICK BELOW THE BELT!!!. your are correct about the clinching. You can a standiing or jump knee to the head, you can use ONE hand to control an opponents head for 3 seconds and strike to knee, but thats it. there is NO THAI CLINCH

So for those who remember me, iv'e created a few post, one was about "full contact shotokan" and the other was about "starting my own martial arts organization" Well, my vision for new system/style for full contact karate is coming to life! I've found a couple MA event organizers interested in giving my rule set a shot at their tournaments! This is very exciting to see my dream come alive! I found an organization that is also willing to sanction it! So all the things are in place, to make this happen, but I need some advice: 1) i'm interested instead of having an orginization sanction my system, i'd much rather start my own org to sanction and recognize it! Does anyone have any suggestions, advice for creating and running one? 2)The forum of fighting i'm doing is a mix of PKC karate rules, and Shinken Shobu kyokushing rules. for those who don't know what it is, it's Knockdown karate/kyokushin with face punches allowed. There will allow elbows, with elbow pads, knees to the head, BUT MO THAI CLINCHING or dirty boxing. When I fight goes to the ground, you have 3 seconds to do a follow up technique, but there will be NO striking to a fallen figther, you would pull the technique like in PKC rules. fighters will wear 4oz MMA gloves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_Cq_cNon0 for an example 3) i'm debating between 2 to 4 divisions: Open color and open black belt: These would be the full rules fights, seperated by black belt and colored belts. Novice/light fighting: This version, fighters would wear shin guards and headgear, and maybe no elbows. This is designed for fighters with little to no full contact experience. like for example, you could be a yellow belt in a style, but have 20 MMA fights, or you could be a black belt and have zero full contact fighting experience. These divisions would help make competition fair and would help to prevent sandbaggers. 3) I NEED A NAME! Right now i'm considering the name of this competition "Kumite Unbound" which sums it up. a universal system where fighters are unbound by style, unbound by limitations of rules. I used kumite, instead of Karate because this will be open to TKD fighters and other styles. 4) All fighters will require a physical before the fights, weigh ins are the same day, to as to discourage weight cutting. 5) Fights will be done in a traditional matt or boxing ring. It will be 2, 2 minute rounds, for tournament matches and 3, 2 minute rounds for single fights and tournament championships. There will be NO FIGHTS IN A CAGE!! I'm open to any suggestions, thoughts, and constructive critisizem. I personally believe this is a good segway for people interested in getting into MMA and getting fight experience, for people who want a full contact test of their karate skills in a format that will allow a full range of techniques that you can't do in kickboxing, muay thai, and kyokushin matches, and as well as not having to worry about grapplng like you would in a MMA match.

I like where you're going. I like the idea of a short, catchy title. ideas i liked right now are "Triumph" or "Triumph fighting championship" I also like "fighting spirit" All of the good names are gone now...like...Strikeforce. That's a one word catchy title if I've ever seen one before. On your "Triumph", I'd suggest this..."Triumphant"...it's one word, and boy oh boy, it's kind of catchy too. "Triumph fighting championship" is good too, but for me, it's a mouthful. So, maybe do like Ultimate Fighting Championship has done, and done quite well... Brand Management!! Ultimate Fighting Championship is a mouthful too, but it has branded UFC as one of the most successful branding managements that the world has ever seen. So, maybe you could brand "Triumph fighting championship" into TFC. That sounds good to...Triumph / Triumphant FC?

All great questions! i'll try to answer them all! 1) Our talent pool is from the start at least, going to be all amatuers. We have a couple of schools in my area with a high emphasis on Muay Thai, so I'd like to adjust the rules to suit the talent pool we have 2) The cage is not set in stone, and personally i'd rather have a ring. The reason for the cage is my partner is a former MMA promoter and he still has his cage. It's basicly a way to save expenses. 3) I'd like to have professionals in time, but I feel that would come with building a reputation and ability to afford pros. I'd like to build this show up, and cater to the fighters as much as possible, but right now, i'd like build amateurs up and establish them. My main purpose is to spread my love of kickboxing to the masses.

I like where you're going. I like the idea of a short, catchy title. ideas i liked right now are "Triumph" or "Triumph fighting championship" I also like "fighting spirit"