shelbelle

Dear Iron Arahat, thank you for your reply! Sorry about the way you preceived me. Peace and love!

To Iron Arahat, here are my comments to you (yours again are in parenthesis): "I'm just curious who you are, seeing as you are one of Mike Miles athletes." Why, would you challenge me? The discussion board allows for one to hide their own identity (as we all have). Unfortunately many misuse this luxury and make condescending remarks or unfair statements while hiding their identity. In ramcalgary's case I responded to a post he started in which he used sentences that were worded in such a way that they offended me with their content. In your case (in the past) again I responded to one of your posts which again offended me with its sentences and contents. This is a discussion board and as such I put my response in. I have not started any thread that made any controversial remarks, but have only responded. Who am I? Figure it out. I have figured out who you are. "I also find it funny that you are so quick to throw out challenges all the time." Hmmmm! 7 posts and I am challenging all the time? This is funny and I think you should reread my posts. In my last post, I have apologized to ramcalgary for what he mistook my 'participation' comment to mean. I never challenged him and I never challenged you. Why would you use a 'generalization' that I challenge everyone when this is not true? "Ramcalgary did nothing but show respect for your camp. Ramcalgary stated "Mike Miles fighters are for the most part ameteurs although his top amateurs could kick a great number of professionals butts." To the contrary, not all his sentences seemed to show respect for the camp, otherwise I would not have responded. One positive sentence does not put a band aid over the other cutting sentences I read. As such I posted and gave some facts. Ramcalgary was clearer in his response to me and as such I have apologized to him for what offended him. Finally, I am quite surprised to see your running to ramcalgary's aid Iron Arahat. All I wonder is why? Are you still sore from my responses to your earlier posts? "I suggest you watch the documentary the business of boxing...the same lies true here (you can draw your own conclusions from there)." Does this documentary apply to everyone, Iron Arahat? Does it apply to the organizations you deal with or the San Shou event you fought in as well? I guess I can draw my own conclusions!

Dear ramcalgary: I will address your last post which responded to my previous one (your comments are in parenthesis). "dearest shelbelle, I have fought and i do know Mr. Miles(or Mike as I know him by). Mike has done more for kickboxing and in particular muay thai boxing than anyone in north america." I think this is a nice statement. Thank you, as his student it makes me proud. "What I am saying is that I would like to see a greater variety of fights and fighters available in our tv market." Unfortunately, your choice of words in your initial post gave me the impression of an unfair attack at Mr. Miles. I responded with facts that were contrary to your statement as this is a discussion board. "As far as you suggest that I fight now...and you will let mr miles know so that he understands ...sounds like a threat. Grow up.." This is funny! You were quick to appear to criticize (due to your choice of words) so I suggested you get involved (nothing more and nothing less). I never said come and fight Mr. Miles or his athletes or whatever, I said why not fight on one of his shows. The purpose for this was then we can put to rest your 'unfairly matched' comment and that 'only Mr. Miles athletes fight on his events' comment through first hand experience. Since I was unclear of my intentions with my comment, I apologize for how you mistook it. Next time believe me, I will be crystal clear. "As for using the word "all" in the statement about his matchups it is called a random generalization. I should have said" most of "excuse me...sorry..." Your choice of words were incorrect, nothing more and nothing less. As such, I responded on this discussion board with facts. "I did fight in the past however once even on a Mike Miles undercard. however due to severe arthritis my career was cut short. If I offended Mr. Miles I am sorry." I have read a few of your other posts and have seen your comments about arthritis. Bad disease. You have my deepest sympathy as this is so brutal on the body. In regards to Mr. Miles, he does not read things like this so I doubt you have offended him, but you offended me with what I perceived as unfair statements that I could disprove. "In reguards to you...do not try to cut people down when making a point ie. typing errors or spelling errors....humans are not perfect and we make errors. This forum is for discussion and although i seem to have really pi...ed you off I did enjoy reading most of your comments." The correction on the spelling should not have been done, for that ramcalgary, I apologize.

PART 2 - "What I am asking to see in Canada is some professional fighters." Amateur, professional, please define a difference. There is a very grey area worldwide as to what an amateur or professional is in the Kickboxing ring arts. The IAMTF allowed Belarus athlete Dmitry Shakuta (a world professional champion of over 100 bouts as well as holder of many other professional titles to fight as an amateur in the World Amateur Championships and win defeating amateur athletes with a handful of bouts). So is Shakuta an amateur or professional? Can you go back to being an amateur after fighting for years as an active professional? Changing stride, I know of televised ISKA events where so called professional athletes were rank in fact amateurs (confirmed by the commissions where the contests were held). Here is one. How about an ISKA Professional World Muay Thai Title where the bout did not allow elbows, knees or low kicks. This is professional? That sanctioning body had already hand picked their winner (Schuster) by facing him against an athlete with only 10 amateur fights, now fighting as a professional for the first time for a Professional World Title (I guess this must be an evenly matched fight by the ISKA huh?). I have seen these fights and could go on and on. Before I go any further I want to make it clear, I am not picking solely on IAMTF or ISKA, as every sanctioning body has done things like this. These are just examples used to answer ramcalgary and his erroneous statements. "Mike Miles fighters are for the most part ametuers (spelling?) although his top amateurs could kick a great number of professionals butts." In regards to 'amateurs' let's take a look at a quote from women's fight supporter, American Dan Cucich: "Linley, Evans, and Cutbill can compete with any women anywhere the world. And anyone who goes to Canada to fight them, expecting amateurish skills is in for a very rude awakening." There are good and bad amateurs as there are good and bad professionals. The end of the posts: Mr. Miles has fighters who have worked with and fight for all organizations (including me). He has athletes who have fought for World Titles including the ISKA. Would you like to get involved fighting ramcalgary? I will let Mr. Miles know of your interest (tell him you go by the name ramcalgary and I will make sure Mr. Miles understands). I am sure he could set you up in an ISKA fight on one of his events with no problem as he knows the ISKA President very well. Let him see what you got and maybe Mr. Miles will put you on television. All he will need is how many fights you have had, how long you have been training both in Kickboxing, and the traditional Martial Arts. Please contact Mr. Miles at natkick@cadvision.com.

PART 1 - It has been awhile since I last posted. It is nice to be back. I just want to put in my few cents in regards to this topic. To quote ramcalgary, "I live in Calgary and Mike Miles is the only promoter who gets coverage on our sports network." I live in Calgary also and moved here from B.C. to fight for Mr. Miles. Why is Mr. Miles televised events a problem for you ramcalgary? When the Toronto promoters (Twin Dragons) puts on Full Contact shows that are televised nationally, they run a local gym in Toronto while also being promoters in Toronto? Events have to come from somewhere, so what is your point? Mr. Miles has been promoting events since the 1970's. Many television networks worldwide are looking at purchasing Mr. Miles shows. The Canadian sports networks are very happy with what they have seen. Would you like to fight on one of his shows? I am sure that would be no problem (more on this at the end of these posts). "All of his fights involve bouts with one of his fighters participating." 'All' is the wrong word for you to use. All his fights do not use only his athletes. Obviously, you are very wrong so why would you state such an obvious fallacy? All you have to do is look at the past events section on Mr. Miles website and you will see his events use athletes from all over against athletes from across Canada. Some events have more of his athletes, some have less, I am sure it depends on who is available to be matched up. I can think of only one event where only his athletes were used (or is this defined as 'All')? "Sometimes these fights are not evenly matched." I assume you mean when Mr. Miles athletes win they were not evenly matched but when they lose, they were evenly matched. Hilarious. Have you ever worked as a matchmaker before? Have you ever fought (where)? Matchmaking relies on so many elements beyond just athletes records. Mr. Miles athletes win and lose like any other fighters. The last televised event featured several of Mr. Miles athletes losing to athletes from Thailand. Using your logic, does this mean the bouts were unevenly matched in favor of the Thai's (who won)? Wow! Why do you make these erroneous statements? Why not get involved (more on this at the end of the thread)?

This is it for today! I know, I know, a typical women who can babble on... but I can also punch too! Many athletes from around the world and across Canada fight in Calgary (with some fighting for titles). Athletes competing for titles are not all from Kru Mike’s gym. I know how many promotions Kru Mike does a year and I know how hard he works to find opponents for just me, so I can tell you, he would welcome submissions from interested athletes. I know he has been trying to contact several Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and San Shou practitioners in Alberta for the last week to compete on one of his upcoming events. For example (and I assure all this is not meant as an insult), I am sure that Kru Mike would welcome a submission from IRON ARAFAT to compete. In prior posts you seem to understand some Muay Thai and it is known (by reading other discussion boards) that you have fought in San Shou competition (as recent as June in Vancouver). If ‘title belts are flying around out in Calgary’ (which can be interpreted as a negative statement. I might be stretching it to mean questioning the credibility of the title holders, if I am doing this, I am very sorry), why not talk to Kru Mike and challenge one of his title holders. Knowing Kru Mike, I am pretty confident he would oblige. He has a fight event on the 29th of September in Calgary, and the Canadian Golden Gloves are in October. Kru Mike has never said his athletes are ‘untouchable’, we all compete to get better and improve our skills. Titles are nice, but ring work is better (in my eyes and I know Kru Mike agrees on this). Hugs, kisses and a lot of clinch work, Shelbelle

Whew! Sorry for being so long winded. Does any promoter run an event to lose money? A promoter wants to have ‘good promotion’ of their event. Promotion sells tickets, tickets mean money and money means being able to bring in competition from around the world, and having the luxury of being able to continue to promote events. Events mean work for the athletes and I sure appreciate it. Kru Mike does just that and everyone from his novice athletes to his heavily experienced athletes get international competition and experience consistently from around the world. We get a lot of work. He has been promoting for several decades and has learned the in’s and out’s. Most promoters want to be successful.

It has been mentioned that Trevor Smandych has “lost his only fight in the IMATF Championships. This you seldom hear about.” I assume it to mean the IAMTF, not the IMATF. Trevor has fought around a dozen times in Thailand with 8 of them being in IAMTF events (not once like stated). He has fought in 3 of their Championships and won a Bronze Medal in one of them. He received several tournament awards from the IAMTF including a trophy for the ‘Best Round Kick (dtae) Knockout’. Unlike many competitors in the IAMTF event, Trevor was a true amateur when he competed in these events. Many respected Thai, European, Oriental, Australian, and American athletes (many professional world champions) have lost in the IAMTF tournament situation. These athletes seem to get a lot of respect and press in the professional fight world and their careers have not been hindered by their IAMTF losses. In regards to losses of any of his athletes, Kru Mike has been anything but secretive. Check out Kru Mike’s website in his ‘past events’ pages and you can see that wins and losses by his athletes are all reported. All you have to do is read. It is available to all. If you read, Trevor has lost to some very good international athletes but he has also beaten some very respected Moroccan, Dutch, German, Thai, etc. athletes as well.

Though Kru Mike represents the WKA in North America, the majority of his bouts are sanctioned by many other sanctioning bodies. This includes the WMC, WKA, IKF, IKKC, ... and we have fought for the IAMTF, IFMA, ISKA, WKO... the list goes on. They are all legitimate sanctioning bodies. It might be viewed as good promotion, but in reality, Kru Mike just keeps his athletes (including me) active. Nothing more and nothing less. Promoters should sanction under some legitmate organization, should they not? I only mention this for information but consider several other prominent Canadian promoters, one sanctions events and hands out titles, but under no sanctioning body. Several others sanction events under their own ‘Canadian’ organization and hand out Continental, Intercontinental and World Titles. A legitimate sanctioned title and event or a made up title and event, as a competitor, I know where my choice would be.

Hello. I am a female athlete who started her competitive training and fighting on the West Coast of Canada and have since moved into Alberta. My love is the ring arts and I am studying and learning as much as I can about them in Canada. I wanted to contribute some information. Nick Ring did lose to Scott Bannan. Nick had around a dozen fights before this encounter (the majority of his bouts had been under low kick rules) and his regular fighting weight at this time was 175 lbs. He had to lose 10 pounds to meet Mr. Bannan. Contrary to what has been said, Nick was not one of Kru Mike Miles top boys at the time of the bout, though he certainly did develop into one after the encounter. The bout with Mr. Bannan saw Nick’s fight skills improve substantially afterwards. Mr. Bannan has made special mention of (complete with high praise) for his bout with Nick in many interviews. I know Kru Mike has mentioned that he is thankful to Mr. Bannan for the learning experience Nick received in their bout. Canadian athletes have fought and defeated Australian athletes. Dalton, Murphy, Olsen ... there are more, but what is the point? Athletes win and athletes lose no matter what country they hail from (including Thailand). :lol: