jmd161

The simple fact of the matter is this... 98% of CMA stylist are inapt for various reasons such as... phoney teachers, bogus styles/arts, sorry students that don't train etc...etc...etc... Out of the other 2% only .5% truly train for actual combat and work on all phases of their training including applications. With those odds there's no wonder why CMA has such a bad name. It's not going to change anytime soon either because you have so many teachers out three that have no clue, thus their students have no clue. It's something i as a CMA stylist hate to admit, but it's the truth. jeff:)

I did it for a number of yrs the Southern Tai Tzu's that is ,there is both a northern and southern as well as many varints. If it's a legit school ,it's a great style. jeff:)

Why aren't you training with the Yee's ,if Hung Gar is what you want? I can prolly help you with a Hung Gar sifu ,i started to train with him myself ,but my plate is full with Black Tiger and Hung Fut. You can either email me or IM me whichever you choose. jeff:)

Correct!! jeff

There are actually a couple of moves that can be considered a Buddha Palm movement. Fut Gar is known as the Buddha Palm style. Palm strikes can be just as deadly as any other type of fist strike. So yes, a palm strike can be very powerful. jeff

Hey SevenStar wassup bro! kungfumaster, What is it you would like to know about Black Tiger? I'll be glad to help you in anyway i can. jeff

Well my point did go off topic but i don't think it was irrelevent to the thread.I only brought up my point because you stated that. Traditional styles especially of chinese origin have been noticeably absent from these events and when ever they show, they lose. I wanted to show that was a flawed statement. Well maybe most people are reluctant to fight under that banner because most CMA people are not interested in UFC/NHB/Pride type events? I mean how many ppl do you see outside of MMA and Bjj circles in the UFC/Pride/NHB? How many Karate,Kung Fu,Taekwondo,Savate'etc.... people do you see in those events? I saw the post as it was written.You need to understand that there is a big misconception going on about kung fu.People that have no clue about kung fu look at statements like that and take them as fact on MA forums.That is why i will always step in to show that it is not fact. Now you may have enough knowledge to know that it's not true.But there are people here that don't.So rather than confuse them with untruths.Why not explain things out fully? Just a thought. jeff

CloudDragon, From your profile i don't see anything to do with Hung Gar or any other Southern China style of kung fu.So why do you feel that the level of difficulty is a 5? searcher, I can say for sure that the form does not focus on acrobatics.There is no flash or show type forms in Hung Gar.Hung Gar is a very applicable no non sense style.If you're looking for something with more acrobatics? I would say look into the Northern Shaolin (Bak Sil Lum) Monkey staff form. I notice that you are a instructor.Are you looking to teach some traditional chinese martial arts weapons forms for tournaments? I've noticed this alot lately.There is nothing wrong with it. I just think that alot of times karate ppl pick the wrong forms to use.While i think the Hung Gar king monkey staff form fits well for karate.You need to understand Hung Gar's theories to properly perform the form. If you're still interested? I have the form on several videos. I could send it to you through instant messenger. In fact here's a look at what a Southern China staff form looks like.This is a Lee Gar staff form.One of four staff forms we have in Black Tiger.In case you're not aware? Black Tiger and Hung Gar are sister styles. http://members.lycos.co.uk/shaolinblacktiger/images/Lee_Gar_Gwun_.wmv Just go to the video section and it's the second video. jeff

Monkey style or Tai Shing Pek Kwar is a very diverse style. Monkey kung fu uses faints and many different monkey characters to fool their opponent.There are different types of monkey.The five types of monkey are tall,stone,wood.iron,and drunken if i remember correctly. Each monkey has it's different fighting concepts.Like stone monkey does alot of groundfighting techniques.So there is alot more that goes into monkey than most people are aware of. Monkey is a very effective style of fighting.The example you used Paulie Zink is not a good example.I don't want to use name but fruad and fake are some of the names used to explain Paulie Zink. I myself use alot of monkey techniques in my personal fighting style. jeff

I actually do have info on them. The video i have is the sifu from that school performing forms.I have about 3 or 4 fist sets and 2 weapons sets from him. jeff

That's the problem with assuming.That's why i stated that there are other styles that have Five Animal forms that are not Shaolin derived.I'm not going to assume that he's talking about Shaolin Five Animals.By looking at the pictures on his site i can tell he's not talking about Shaolin Five animals. My exact words were.Where did you get that garbage? Not everything you said was garbage.There is a difference between the two.When i said people like you i was being general.You know the samething you said you were being in your post? By that i mean i give you proof that what you said was wrong.Instead of admitting you were wrong.You go on to say that all you can come up with is one person? I then stated that all i needed to name was one person to prove you wrong right? Am i wrong or right here? I don't have to give you several names to prove you wrong. It was never meant to be an argument.I was stating that you made a mistake and you took it as an attack. If i misunderstood you? Then i'm sorry!! But i don't see where i misunderstood you.I used your exact quotes. jeff

Well you tell me here is your exact words. Now i underlined your words.That says that Traditional arts especially those of chinese origin rarely show up to these events.And lose whenever they do show up to fight.So i guess you did say that all TCMA stylist lose. I guess you need to make sure you're saying what you're thinking when you type your words. You know i won't even stoop to that level.I did not attack you personally.I only said where did you get that garbage? Meaning that that was not truth about TCMA loosing.I did not say anything about you. You did not see me type anything about Shaolin's five Animals did you? What i said was there are over 1000 different styles of kung fu.It can easily be an animal in another style of kung fu.I don't need anyone to tell me about Shaolin Five Animals seeing that i've studied both Northern and Southern Shaolin styles for the last 18 yrs.In case you were'nt aware my current style is Sil Lum Hak Fu Muhn (Shaolin Black Tiger) a Southern Shaolin style. I also studied Bak Sil Lum (Northern Shaolin Longfist). I've also studied Cheung Kune Pai (Sung Style Southern Lonfist) ~bka~ Tai Tzu's Chang Chuan.So i know in different styles and different ways the five animals are used in other styles. jeff

martialartsresearcher, Jow Gar (Chow Ga) is a great style.If you're interested and have an instant messenger service you use? I can send you some Jow Gar videos so you can see for yourself.They are full forms not short clips.So you'll need to have DSL/Cable/Broadband connection. Dial Up will take too long to transfer to you. Just pm or e-mail me if you want them.Or you can IM me at jmd16101@aol or jmd161@MSN or jmd161@yahoo jeff

HA HA HA HA I love people like you! You claim that all CMA people loose in the UFC. I show otherwise and now you want to say all you can name is one.All i had to name was one to prove you wrong. Right?....... jeff

Sim, You have to understand that there are over 1000 different styles of kung fu.Yes the most common five animals are Tiger,Crane,Snake,Leopard,and Dragon.But it is possiable for Mantis to be one of the five in other styles. In Black Tiger we have Tiger,Crane,Snake,Leopard,Dragon,Monkey,Horse,Elephant,Lion,and Eagle.So it's very easy for another style to have different main animals. jeff

Hey everyone thought i'd post this here. I know how ppl say that Traditional Chinese Martial Arts don't do well in the UFC.People always want proof so here you go. This was on KFO about "O" Onassis from kwoon when he fought in UFC 7.I thought it would be cool to talk about here with our members. http://cykwoon.freewebspace.com/images/o_oct1_tek.jpg http://cykwoon.freewebspace.com/images/o_oct2_tek.jpg Here's what "O" himself had to say. I was doing what I had to in order to win. I didn’t think specifically about any style…and why would I? But Yes, during the stand up portion of the fight I did use some Hung Gar to lay hands on him to set up the takedown. Besides, if Kung fu means “Hard Work” then everybody is doing KF. Haha. In 1995, I was the smallest guy in the UFC 7 tourney = 180lbs (at that time there were not weight divisions). Everybody else was at least 250lbs +. I felt lucky to be picked out of 5000 applicants anyway. I won my alternate match but never got the chance to move on because nobody in the main draw got injured. The only thing that P-ssed me off was the head guy from SEG sports and Don Wilson had bet against me. After the fight at the dinner they smiled at me and said, “Hey you made me lose money, I bet against you”. I laughed, but inside I was saying good for you Bast-ard! Shortly after that I was offered a fully paid ride to go to Japan and be in a training camp to fight in the Pancrase. The mans name was Takeya Oitate. I would have done it too, but I had just gotten married. Actually the UFC fight was 8 days before my wedding. Luckily I didn’t have any marks for the pictures. But still, there was no way after just getting married that I was gonna go alone to Japan. Haha, don’t turn me loose in one of those bath houses w/ all the hot women! Haha, I would’ve had a hard time staying faithful. Then I went to the Russian Ultimate II. It was a two day tourney and I made it past the 1st round. On the second day, I lost to Richardo Morais, actually, I tapped early out of frustration. I wasn’t actually hurt, I just never trained to fight anyone as big as him before. The announcer questioned me afterward and wondered why I stopped it. The knees weren’t actually hurting me, they were hitting me on the top of the head with his meaty part of his thigh. And I could have escaped from it easily. The plain hard fact was, I didn’t have it in me to finish the fight after I was going to escape or reverse it, so I decided I wasn’t ready and just tapped. It will always be a skeleton in the closet for me. But at least Richardo went on to win the whole thing, so for that I feel better. It’s been almost ten years since then and I’ve matured allot. For sure I’m a much better fighter now then I was back then. But for me, the more I train, the less I have to prove. Does that sound odd? I’m mostly a HG kung fu guy now I guess, but I use the Filippino mentality of applying it halo halo…it means “mix mix”. In other words, I might be doing kf, but I’ll do whatever it takes to win if I have to. Last thoughts, You have to understand that fighting in these events is a different reality. Just thought i'd share that with everyone.So i guess there were some real TCMA fighting in the UFC after all."O" is known as a great fighter within the CMA world.Infact he was the Dai Sihing for Wing Lam's Hung Gar school.In other terms he was the fighter for the school. jeff

Where did you get that garbage from? "O" Onassis from kwoon.com not only fought but won in the UFC.He's a Hung Gar stylist to be more exact. The thing is that style in the UFC does'nt really matter. But MMA and Bjj ppl always want you to think that TCMA does'nt do well against them.It's not true.MMA and Bjj are not new like most ppl want to think.Most are just as old if not older than most kung fu styles.It's a circle. Everything goes in circles.Now MMA and Bjj are the new big thing on the block.A few yrs ago it was Gracie this gracie that.Now you hear MMA this MMa that.It goes that way forever.Something else will com back and start the circle again soon. jeff

Well i used to punch through drywall for fun at work.I think the ppl here talking about how easy it is have not really tried it.Yes it is easy to break a 1/4 -1/2 sheet of dry wall.But when you start breaking 5/8 " drywall it's totally different.I used to put 3-4 sheets of 5/8 sheetrock together and punch through it.I don't really suggest you do that though it can be a little harder than you think and might cause you problems with your hands. jeff

By fan dancing do you by chance mean the CMA weapons form? I don't know about fan dancing but do know about the fan as a weapons form.We have two different fan forms in Black Tiger. I know of a site that has video but i will have to try and remember the site.It was a Choy Lay Fut video of their fan form. jeff

Well i can't answer how i see crane used in karate because i have'nt seen it used in karate.I don't think it's the deadliest of the animals either in my own thoughts.I would say snake,tiger,and monkey are some of the most deadly.I like the crane though although tiger and monkey are my two favorite animals. jeff

aznkarateboi, Why are you upset about learning Hung Fut? Hung Fut is a great style and Tai Yim i hear is a good sifu.What is it you're looking for from your kung fu and sifu? I'm not saying this is the case ,but many ppl your age try to learn too much too fast.Real martial arts training is not always fun and joy.It's hard work to be able to make the training and forms look so effortless. jeff

Well other than Lee Gar i have never heard of another Lee Gar/family system. Are you sure it's a Lee family style? jeff

Here's a thought. How about Tai Shing Pek Kwar (Monkey Style)? monkeygirl = Monkey Style! But it would'nt be a dojo it would be a kwoon. Just a thought. jeff

Well let me answer this question. Stances have their place in fighting. To use the horse stance as an example.There are many uses for a horse stance in fighting.But i'm only going to explain one.The horse stance could be used for a take down.As the person attacks you with a punch.You sidestep the attack grab their attack with your back hand,and slide into a deep horse stance.This action forces the person face first into the ground.Using their own momentum to drive them into the ground. You can also use the bow and arrow stance to take someone down or even break their leg.Once again as the person attacks you slide into a bow and arrow stance against their lead leg.At the sametime you slide the tip of your foot behind their heal.Then press into the bow and arrow stance either they go to the ground on their back.Or the force against their leg snaps the leg at a joint like the knee or breaks their shin bone. jeff

You know ppl amaze me how they think they know how every style of kung fu works.Not all styles use the Jong the sameway.I've heard of ppl breaking the arms on thier jongs before.Wing Chun uses the jong differently from Choy Lay Fut.Both styles use it differently than we do in Black Tiger. In Black Tiger we use the wooden dummy and also the Black Tiger Grinder Dummy.It's made from cement and has two rows of moving iron arms. This is what it looks like. http://www.black-tiger.org/lan7.jpg jeff