i just want to say that i'm not a martial artist, i am a fighter though. and watching tito ortiz is breathtaking, his movement and concentration is amazing. i've seen every fight tito's been in and his loss to frank shamrock was silly. tito got caught up in an armbar or a legbar, i can't remember exactly but if you watch you'll see the dissapointment in his eyes. the ufc is getting rediculous but that's a different topic. i believe whole heartedly that tito is a champion, he has the heart and the determination to beat anyone, and i'll never count out frank although i gaurauntee that if they ever face eachother again... the outcome will be much much different, tito doesn't make the same mistake twice, he never has, he never will.