Thanx Toptomcat....goju seipai is my favourite kata...and, despite some interesting stuff, even the southern luohan forms on the Utube link you so kindly posted bear no resemblence to the rakanken i'm learning. McCarthy Sensei (who translated the first english version of Bubishi) teaches the form as it is described in that text....he learned it from a Tomari Te exponent during a stay in Okinawa.....thanx for you effort...