Holy crap! Youngman, I didn't know that you were on here! Small world, my friend! I decided to join this forum and wow, there is somebody that I know on here. Hmmm, the ole' Karate and TKD question, eh? TKD came from Japanese/Okinawan Karate. Early TKD was an exact replica of Shotokan, it even used karate gi's and contained the same exact katas. Of course, TKD has changed and evolved into something different and original now, but the connection is definitely there and clear for all to see. Hmmm, DWx - you are totally correct, the Taekkyon headquarters in Korea denies any link with TKD and they would know more about Taekkyon than the Kukkiwon seeing as how its their own style and all. Most of the "history" of TKD is propaganda put forth in an attempt to deny the Japanese connection because Koreans don't like Japanese. Not to mention the new forms created (I.E. remixed from the Japanese/Okinawan versions and called something new) on the basis of nationalism and Korean history. Can you say Martial Xenophobia? The two styles contain the same techs too - yes, Karate contains every kick contained in TKD, they are just not practiced or emphasized as much as in TKD. Tournament Karate even contains high flying kicks, itself. Youngman, it is not to say that all TKD is a Korean version of Japanese Karate, it is to say that *both* styles are brothers who have a common origin in Okinawa. Think of Okinawa Karate as the father, and Japanese Karate and TKD (even called Korean Karate at one point) as the sons of the father, and brothers to each other.