Kagerou

Originated in the Second-half of the 20th Century. Puts the originating date ~1950. The name Tae Kwon Do being accepted in 1955. It's been a short 1300 years these ~58 years, hasn't it? Is it really this typical to confuse a country's ancestry in the arts--of different names no less--with the establishment of an art centuries later and after large chunks of the previous art were irradiated after Japanese occupation? Especially since most of the arts under the umbrella of a unified name are really conglomerations of Chinese and Japanese styles? Let's say I have my own island. That island at one time has a historic system of fighting. Let's call it "The art of belching", or "Gastritis-do." But times change--the art is looked down upon, and governmental health regulations add bicarbonate of soda to all pasta to discourage "Gastritis-do" for several decades, if not a centuries--little to no record exists at this time about "Gastritis-do." After a time, another people invade and forbade the historic system. But, after re-claiming governmental control, most all info on "Gastritis-do" has disappeared. So, I create a new art, "The way of throwing cinderblocks", and call it "Block-Chuck-Fu." "Block-Chuck-Fu" is an amalgamation of the styles of "CinderBlock Drop" from an Island Nation to the North, and "Metal-style Dodgeball" from an Island nation in the South. The new art, "Block-Chuck-Fu" flourishes for around 50 years--yet I claim it has a lineage of hundreds-to-thousands of years old, constantly referencing "Gastritis-do", but not showing how either are really linked. Well, this is how I see things. I do not see the connections between Subak /Taek Kyon and modern Tae Kwon Do, except in the description of Chang Hun Kwon....which is still referenced as a form of "Korean Karate." It just doesn't make good sense to me, that's all. Sorry for the long rant. Regarding this: http://www.pro-taekwondo.com/index.php?inc=rules Isn't a two minute round a minute shorter than other sports? I'm not at sparring-level yet...So, please, excuse my ignorance on the matter. The page says you can win by K.O. Are you awarded so many points for K.O.? If so, why not take the point deduction for a hook, uppercut, or elbow if you can go for the win by K.O. or T.K.O.? Then, there's this: So, you can win by K.O. But wouldn't that count as an injury to the opponent? So you win by ruleset, but loose by default? I don't understand. It looks sound. However, the ruleset has me confused.

I only find Golf fun when you go for "High Score." By that, I don't mean "-18 under par, it's a great focused game of golf" thing. I mean hitting into trees, water traps, getting stuck in sand traps, ricocheting off Windmills and Giant Clown faces (Mini-golf only--where applicable for the last two.) Scores in the 2xx-3xx range may seem poor to even novice golfers; but at least you/we/I had fun out there, right?

I used to be a fan of New Balance. Then they changed their manufacturing of the model of shoe I wore. Now I can't wear New Balance shoes for anything. Usually just cheapies (Yeah, not a real word.) I find that fit at stores like Pay-Less or K-Mart. I'd rather pay ~$20 for shoes that fit well enough than over $100 for a brand I like, but doesn't fit.

The level 3 Super Taunt! Nothing more satisfying than jumping around and rolling like an idiot, taunting and shouting at your opponent--just to bruise their ego. Mind, you're venerable to attack the entire time, as you can't counter. But you walk away with the satisfaction of bragging rights; the equivalent of, "You got served!" Why deal physical damage, when you can go for the emotions and ego of the opponent, right? _______________________________________________________________ Seriously, though? Your smaller targets are likely to cause your greatest damage. But I don't see hitting them straight away without setting it up through some kind of combination.

Wha...?? Regarding your main question, restraining for capture may be more "humane" as you put it. But how long can you hold for? Are you actively calling for help? Are you isolated? If you're in a situation where you're isolated and fighting, it isn't in your best interest to restrain. Smartest thing to my reckoning is to use your training for blunt-force trauma, KO, and escape for help. I don't see a KO as equating to death, as you seem to be implying. As for the cheapening of human life on the basis of modern warfare, I think you're way off base.

I'm unsure about Mr. Anderson, but you, yourself, have all the makings of a Chang Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do/Kwan Bup Bu instructor with your background in Shotokan and Chaun Fa. At least, from what I've been reading on Chang Moo Kwan. I'll be darned if I can't find an unbiased/non-politicized master of the forms though. The Chang moo kwan is the same organization as the kwanmukan. They are both led by Grand Master George Anderson. My Chuan Fa background is not from that system however. I studied it before getting involved with the Kwanmukan. But you have just illustrated my point more effectively. The forms from them are identical. May I ask something of you then? Have you ever heard of either Jae Mann Lee or Jung Kil Moon at Reinhardt College in Waleska, Georgia? Last classes given there were apparently over 30 years ago. Both had apparently trained under Grandmaster Nam Suk Lee. I'm unsure of what happened to Mr. Jae Mann Lee, but Mr. Jung Kil moon apparently moved to New York state ~1974. I can find no outstanding record of either through google searches except through my Dojang's webpages. To complicate things, there seems to be no Korean affiliation outside of my San Bum Nim's San Bum Nim's San Bum Nim. (Say that three times fast!) No Korean flag in the Dojang, no WTF, ITF, or Kwanmukan or kukkiwon affiliation. Merely an affiliation under a local Karate governing body. I'm hoping that by finding the people who taught my home base's San Bum Nim, I can find some of the information I'm looking for. That is--Going to the root of the teachings instead of one of the branches that has formed from it. Picture forms are what I'm really looking for. I'm being discouraged from going to TKD resources because "it may be different." I don't know about Shotokan techniques--or what may have been modified from them in the adding of Chaun Fa. Since Grandmaster Nam Suk Lee passed in August 2000, even the folks at World Chang Moo Kwan have trouble finding a consensus about the art's future. And a Google search on current Grandmaster Kim Soon Bae comes up that he views all Kwons as the same, and insists that no variations exist inside Korea--or even World Wide. You can imagine my frustration in finding help with forms. Even Chang Moo Kwon practitioners don't seem to be united in forms and technique. I'm at a real loss as to where to turn for help. I imagine that can be a long--rather confusing rant. I apologize for that. But thank you for reading.

I'm unsure about Mr. Anderson, but you, yourself, have all the makings of a Chang Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do/Kwan Bup Bu instructor with your background in Shotokan and Chaun Fa. At least, from what I've been reading on Chang Moo Kwan. I'll be darned if I can't find an unbiased/non-politicized master of the forms though.

Wikipedia is a lifesaver! It knows all and sees all. I would never have managed it through all my coursework this year if it hadn't been for Wikipedia . I agree that the name and style itself don't matter really as long as you have a good instructor and you are being taught well. But on the other hand as a total newbie to MA it helps to know what style you are being taught so you can indeed go away and look up videos like Kagerou is doing. Some people need to do lots of extra practice at home to remember stuff and videos help to just prompt you. Also as a new guy to MA you can be pretty susceptible to McDojos where the head instructor has created his own MA so knowing what the style is called or where and what it comes from can be reassuring that you are learning something more than dancing about. I'm not really out to look up videos...even though I have. Heck, the Basic 1 I've been taught is different than nearly every Basic 1 I've seen posted up! There's always an extra-step or two thrown in that wasn't shown to me. What I am looking for is a comprehensive Hyung guide. Step-by-step pictures as I go for reference. I'm now allowed into the UKS MSN group. Lots of old posts about TKD manuals...but not to fall into the WTF or ITF sides of the fence. That UKS supplements somehow. Would it be inconsiderate of me to call the home base and ask? I know that would be going over my local instructor's head...but the local dojang is closed today. And I don't want to just leave a message on an answering machine.

Six pages and no mention of Surf Ninjas? The choreography is good. The plot and story...not so great. But it's one of those B movies that you can watch over and over again, laughing all the way. I don't think it portrays the MAs in a bad light; just an overly comedic one...so please forgive me being off topic a bit. However, I do deem it an awful, corny movie. The trailer alone cracks me up every time: Then we have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iYu0AY2eek "Never Mess with Zorro"

Sorry for the back-to-back posts. But I've kept digging. "Big Boss" shows up under a World Chang Moo Kwan geocities page. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/8129/tkdpage.html My local Dojang shows up on the page--odd since it isn't on the "Big Boss'" main page. To find quickly, do a Ctrl + F, and type in "Georgia." "Chang Moo Kwan roots, Tae kwon do" Searching YouTube for the Lead Instructor "Ben Kiker," I don't get any Hyung. But I do get sparring from his last tournament. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ben+Kiker&search_type= The practitioners in the Yellow doboks are from the United association. There is a team of weapons users that were training Saturday had red tops and black pants. Yet, the dobok used in the dojang is white. Not sure of the belt promotion colors. But, with this out of the way.... Can anyone recommend a Chang Moo Kwan resource for Hyung?

I can't help but wonder if the explanation is, "It would take so long to explain the branches and splintering of the Korean Arts that it's simpler to just call it 'Karate' and be done with it." The school consists of like-minded individuals by faith. No problems there. Everything looks sound, and the lead instructor does turn up in a Google search as being accredited. As does the head instructor at the home base. I just wish I knew the official name of the style, you know? I've asked a Black Belt who was a friend of mine over the phone. The answer I heard was indistinguishable. Probably just the cell connection I had. Something about a local governing body. I'll ask again when returning on Tuesday. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy this, I do. And it appears to be the best of what's available to me locally--both in price and fundamentals. I'll be sure to explain that I would like a better understanding to the lead instructor (Sah Bum Nim? Even though they don't enforce that term.) I find it a tad frustrating. There is a contract stating that you shall not go to learn a form that has not been presented to you and not to skip ahead. And while I'm not out to be skipping ahead at all, I would like to know the name of my style so that I can research the forms that are presented to me to help practice. Or do you find in your teaching that it's best to only present in-class and regurgitate the next class through merely practice and memory? I just don't want to build sloppy form. My memory isn't great, and pictures of the Hyung step-by-step would help me improve in downtime between classes vastly.

Hi, all. I'm just beginning martial arts. I'm twenty-four and have attended all of two classes. I pay dues at the beginning of the month--worked this out with head instructor; so officially become a White Belt then I suppose. But I have some questions that I'm not getting completely straight answers out of my instructors. Officially, the style is being called "United Karate." Main site located http://www.southeastmartialarts.net/index.html <--There. The "dojang" I'm attending doesn't have a site, or is even listed as a sister dojang. Which is something I'm considering doing to help--at least getting a geocities site or something. The head master at the home base lists his styles as the following: Chang Moo Kwan Han Mu Do With instructors and practitioners in: Chang Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do, kick boxing, American open tournament point fighting, and Han Mu Do grappling arts. I've asked if there was a particular style to look at when going to train-- I'm very sight-oriented, and learn better when shown up close or by pictures than when given a list of degrees and descriptions. I was told that for Basic 1, I could look to pretty much any Karate style on YouTube to practice. I tried looking around after lesson 1 as was waay off base guessing at the style. I know now what the background is....but I still feel in the dark. This is compounded when I go to look at Korean Martial Arts history online and see lots of things characterized simply as Tang Soo do or Taekwondo. I now have a feel of Basic set 1. Have a beginning feel for a few basic kicks and blocks. Would it be safe to assume that most of what I'll learn is Chang Moo Kwan? Or will this vary by instructor? While everything looks geared toward the Korean stylings, would it be safe to call this a "Mixed" Korean Karate? I wish I could find some YouTube videos to show their Hyung to you guys for identification purposes. I watched a few Black Belts go through some Hyung today...but it was too detailed and complicated for be to begin to remember what it looked like. But there was a good focus on breathing throughout the routine. Any of you guys familiar with this South Eastern United States Karate chain? I don't mean to imply this as a "McDojo." Because that isn't the vibe I get at all. I guess I just feel confused, is all..... Thanks for hearing this "newbie" out.[/url]