neoravencroft

So I'm trying to pick up a 2nd pair of Muay Thai gloves to help expand the life out of my current Top King gloves and I heard that the Yokkao brand is pretty decent since it's been endorsed by a lot of legendary Muay Thai fighters. Before going to invest in those gloves, has anyone else had any experience with their gloves or just the brand in general?

In my experience, it's really based on the size, but the brand really. I have the Everlast Prime boxing gloves that are 16 oz. that are too big for my hands but my Top King gloves (a Thai brand) is also 16 oz. and fit my hands perfectly. So to me different brands I believe have different sizes that fit to different people. If you have one where you live, go to a Title Boxing Club and try their gloves and see if it makes a difference size-wise.

Got it.

Well look at that. I'll have to try those out.

My bad! Sorry! It's all good.

lol! I like the way you think. However, both of those items are illegal on hospital grounds, so I think joint locks and holds would be a better option.

Good to know. Thanks for the info.

Welcome!

Happens more often than you might think. Mental disability, drink, drugs, or even just being very sick and disorientated can make someone lash out. I know. But surely the mindset should not be the expectation to fight? The expectation to have to use non violent restraint perhaps. But surely not to fight. That being the case, I can't see that martial arts are the answer. Define fight. Depending on the healthcare setting - psychiatric, emergency room, etc. there could very well be the expectation to defend oneself and/or restrain a patient to prevent the patient from harm to him/herself and/or others. The setting dictates the expectations. In a traditional doctor’s office, there shouldn’t be the expectation. Working in an emergency room where people are brought in drunk and/or under the influence of drugs, have dementia, etc.; it’s generally a matter of when you’ll need to defend yourself rather than if. Yes there’s security and coworkers to help, but there’s no shortage of time alone with a patient and even if help is within vocal distance away, it’s still a matter of them getting there. I know plenty of healthcare workers in these settings. It’s not an everyday thing, but definitely somewhat regular. I’d recommend a grappling art that’s thorough in standing grappling. Wrestling, judo. MT’s clinch work should be sufficient though. Striking would be a big liability. You should look to restrain rather than strike. Striking (and throwing) would be a very last resort IMO. Tactics should probably fall in line with security and LEO work. I was thinking about joining Judo to add with my Muay Thai seeing as having a grappling style helps. However, how about Aikido? I know they have a specialty in joint locks, but I hear a lot of negative things about the art itself being "ineffective."

Engaging in physical combat. Seeking to apply techniques that have the primary purpose of causing sufficient pain and/or injury to overwhelm and disable an opponent. Basically the stuff we learn in martial arts. I may have given the wrong impression earlier. I'm by no means opposed to the idea of anyone training martial arts. Even outside of combat, I believe martial arts have a tremendous amount to offer. However I do find it a little bit disturbing that someone working in healthcare would open with the statement that they can't use muay thai because it's a striking art and goes against the hippocratic oath, then goes on to ask what other martial art would be ok against a patient. I think you're misunderstanding me. What I meant to say is I'm looking for something that will minimize the damage done to the assailant. There will be times where someone will decide to attack either myself or someone else. I'm looking for something that will not only disable the assailant with minimal damage to that said person while at the same time reduce the amount of "evidence" that the assailant would have if said individual was most likely to file a lawsuit for whatever the reason.

lol. Not really looking looking for an excuse to learn something else (tempting as that is), just trying to find new ways of self defense in an environment that's new to me.

They only teach de-escalation tactics to healthcare personnel against assailants. Any training beyond that goes into the realm of security.

Ok... So there are a few things to consider here. 1. You may be faced with some difficult choices in the use of force continuum as part of your professional life. That does not mean that you should stop training. It means you will have to be careful about when the use of force is appropriate and when it is not. 2. There is nothing in the Hippocratic oath that forbids striking techniques that would not also preclude most any effective fighting system. 3. That said, pursuant to wanting to do the least harm possible in resolving a possible violent confrontation, in my opinion Judo and BJJ give you the most tools for addressing that particular problem. You may be right on number 2. However, on a legal standpoint, there's always a ramification on force unless absolutely necessary. Even still, "no force unless absolutely necessary" is a very subjective term in this day and age. According to a security guard at the site, the only way violence is "justified" is if the assailant is preventing you from escape. Any other time goes under a restricted display of force if that makes sense.

So I just recently became a healthcare employee for a hospital in my area. I currently take Muay Thai. Because I'll be taking the Hippacratic Oath, I wouldn't be able to use my style of martial arts due to it's striking elements. Seeing as there might be a time where I have to confront an angry patient or an angry relative to the patient, what would be a good martial arts to learn for that kind of situation?

There are far cheaper alternatives. Do you belong to a church? Does it have a basement or large enough area? Ask your preacher, minister, priest, rabbi if they would consider renting you space. I did this for many, many years when my tenant space was tripled in rent to force me out for a retail store chain. It costed me a little less than a 1/4 of the rent (they already own the space). The one church I taught out of did not charge me rent at all for the first three years. Just a thought. The only thing you will need is insurance. The church will require you to hold your own insurance. But this is not a draw back since you have to have it no matter where you teach. Unless your privately wealthy and can pay for claims out of pocket that is. As someone who isn't particularly religious, do you think it's poor form to ask a pastor, priest, rabbi, etc, to rent out a space in the church for the gym if you don't belong to his or her congregation?