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joesteph
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Another question, 
If the person you were trying to mug broke your finger would you let go?
Reason I ask is another guy I sometimes train with was doing a similar exercise and someone's response to being grabbed like that was to try to bite him. He said not to do it because if it was him that'd hurt but just make him angry and he'd probably start hitting her (if he wasn't already) in response.
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A mugger attacks a woman because he's a coward who's looking for an easy target; he'll attack a 19-year-old woman to grab her purse before a 19-year-old man for his wallet. If you break his finger, which you're not supposed to do because you're a weak, helpless female, exactly why he picked you in the first place, he's going to let go.
He'll get mad? Will he have a smile on his face when he grabs you, as in, "Hi! I'm Poindexter! I'll be your mugger today!" I say break his finger, let him jump and let go with the unexpected pain, and if you're still holding onto his finger, yank on it for maximum effect. Then either sceam and run or give him a swift kick and then scream and run.
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JiuJitsuNation
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Styles: BJJ Judo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| DWx wrote: |
Another question,
If the person you were trying to mug broke your finger would you let go?
Reason I ask is another guy I sometimes train with was doing a similar exercise and someone's response to being grabbed like that was to try to bite him. He said not to do it because if it was him that'd hurt but just make him angry and he'd probably start hitting her (if he wasn't already) in response. |
Yeah I agree with the bite thing making him angry. Unless on the hand because I think that would get the same response as the finger break. But again just for the response. And Jo is right. They are looking for easy targets and when you decide not to be one they may wilt away. Especially if you are not secluded and there is a greater chance you will be heard and seen.
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algernon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| Any broken bone is going to hurt. I've been unfortunate a time or two or three to have broken a bone. Guess what? It hurt A LOT! |
I believe that the finger "breaks" in question are actually dislocations, not the literal breaking of phalanges. It's painful, but not the wost thing I've ever felt (though, I've never broken a bone).
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| Reason I ask is another guy I sometimes train with was doing a similar exercise and someone's response to being grabbed like that was to try to bite him. He said not to do it because if it was him that'd hurt but just make him angry and he'd probably start hitting her (if he wasn't already) in response.! |
Human bites can be as nasty as dog bites, and if someone had my head, I would not think twice about chomping on them.
Yes, biting him will probably cause him to hit back. So will punching, kicking, throwing, or twisting him. If you aren't going to just stand there and take a beating, why would you expect your attacker to? Sure, some people could be (and have been) scared off by "a swift kick," but plenty of others won't. Maybe the guy is a coward, and picked an "easy" target, but to assume that is to make the same mistake that he just did. |
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JiuJitsuNation
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
| Any broken bone is going to hurt. I've been unfortunate a time or two or three to have broken a bone. Guess what? It hurt A LOT! |
I believe that the finger "breaks" in question are actually dislocations, not the literal breaking of phalanges. It's painful, but not the wost thing I've ever felt (though, I've never broken a bone).
| DWx wrote: |
| Reason I ask is another guy I sometimes train with was doing a similar exercise and someone's response to being grabbed like that was to try to bite him. He said not to do it because if it was him that'd hurt but just make him angry and he'd probably start hitting her (if he wasn't already) in response.! |
Human bites can be as nasty as dog bites, and if someone had my head, I would not think twice about chomping on them.
Yes, biting him will probably cause him to hit back. So will punching, kicking, throwing, or twisting him. If you aren't going to just stand there and take a beating, why would you expect your attacker to? Sure, some people could be (and have been) scared off by "a swift kick," but plenty of others won't. Maybe the guy is a coward, and picked an "easy" target, but to assume that is to make the same mistake that he just did. |
Word! I'm not biting anyone. Yuk. I mean maybe through a jacket or something not nothing where my mouth is on the flesh. At least not unless it is a desperate attempt because my life is threatened. I say this because criminals generally are bottom of the barrel socially and you don't know where they have been! lol
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sensei8
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Another question,
If the person you were trying to mug broke your finger would you let go? |
Yes I would, then I'd run away as fast as I can before the police arrive to arrest me for attempting mugging.
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joesteph
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Another question,
If the person you were trying to mug broke your finger would you let go? |
Yes I would, then I'd run away as fast as I can before the police arrive to arrest me for attempting mugging.
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I feel Bob's absolutely right. These guys are looking for an easy target, not a brawl. They want to grab your purse and take off. It's an unfortunate story, but I remember reading about an elderly woman who came out of the bank, only to have her pocketbook grabbed by some young tough. She held on and fell; he dragged her several feet then took off rather than rush over to her to strike her so that she'd let go. No time.
The friend I had whose little finger was broken when he was younger held his hand up so that his fingers were vertical, and then pushed that finger to the side just a bit. He described the break as putting that finger in a horizontal position. Excruciating!
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algernon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course, that is assuming that it is a robbery. |
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JiuJitsuNation
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The finger thing is very painful. However I have seen this many times in practice as our fingers get hung in the gis. (When training hard for major tournaments) You would be surprised how many of us reset the finger tape it up and keep going. But I think we need to set the scene a bit more. With the snatch and run image and the example of the old woman, seems just holding on to what you got and making some noise would do the trick. Maybe even the well placed kick you mentioned. But I can't see the finger thing coming into play here. Not that it absolutely doesn't or couldn't just seems a bit more commitment than is required. Either that or I've given this entirely too much thought!
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joesteph
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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But I can't see the finger thing coming into play here.
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DWx was pointing out that she'd been in a headlock, had difficulty getting out of it, though she finally did, and the one applying the headlock said that if she'd broken his finger, it'd have been much more expedient.
She then asked that if one of us were mugging someone and she broke your finger, would you let go. Sensei8 and I were agreeing that we would.
I don't think anyone's saying that breaking the finger devastates the attacker, but it gives precious time to the freed defender to run or hit and run.
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JiuJitsuNation
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| JiuJitsuNation wrote: |
But I can't see the finger thing coming into play here.
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DWx was pointing out that she'd been in a headlock, had difficulty getting out of it, though she finally did, and the one applying the headlock said that if she'd broken his finger, it'd have been much more expedient.
She then asked that if one of us were mugging someone and she broke your finger, would you let go. Sensei8 and I were agreeing that we would.
I don't think anyone's saying that breaking the finger devastates the attacker, but it gives precious time to the freed defender to run or hit and run. |
Oh yeah, sorry. I was focused on the tail end of the topic on that one. I bees quiet now!
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