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tallgeese
KF Sensei
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 3088
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, BJJ, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing
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| Agreed. The answer is still yes, very possible. |
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sensei8
Black Belt
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 1996
Styles: Shindokan Karate-Do [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't really a hypothetical question, is it? |
Yes, this is just a hypothetical.
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sensei8
Black Belt
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 1996
Styles: Shindokan Karate-Do [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Lets change the hypothetical question again. Same parameters, but, now this competitor is wearing a black belt with six or seven rank indentifiers.
Could the reason that this competitor won 4 Kata Grand Championships was that this competitors Kata's were that solid, or, was it because this competitor was wearing a black belt with six or seven rank indentifiers?
Could those judges have been "obliged' by seeing the six or seven rank indentifiers, thus, giving high marks because of rank?
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Lupin1
Green Belt
Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 426
Styles: Isshinryu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If I were a judge, I'd judge someone harder if I saw all that on their belt, so it'd probably make it harder for them. |
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DWx
KF Sensei
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 2469
Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
Could the reason that this competitor won 4 Kata Grand Championships was that this competitors Kata's were that solid, or, was it because this competitor was wearing a black belt with six or seven rank indentifiers?
Could those judges have been "obliged' by seeing the six or seven rank indentifiers, thus, giving high marks because of rank?
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Well they're not very good judges then are they. "Hypothetically" this could certainly happen. Bias is often present in tournaments and rank identifiers are one thing that judges could be swayed by but they shouldn't be if they're good umpires.
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tonydee
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
Posts: 227
Location: Japan
Styles: 24 yrs kong soo do, 3 yrs hapkido, bits of others
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
...now this competitor is wearing a black belt with six or seven rank indentifiers.
Could the reason that this competitor won 4 Kata Grand Championships was that this competitors Kata's were that solid, or, was it because this competitor was wearing a black belt with six or seven rank indentifiers?
Could those judges have been "obliged' by seeing the six or seven rank indentifiers, thus, giving high marks because of rank? |
Not only could this influence judges, it's likely to even if the judges consciously guard against it, especially if the apparent rank equals or exceeds their own. Unless they're extremely self confident, extremely experienced, or the performer is really obviously bad, then they'll begin to look for ways to reconcile their impressions with the ostensible rank... questioning whether they're missing something... looking to give the performer the benefit of the doubt even if it means assuming their own judgement/conceptions to have been wrong in the past.
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Tony |
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on the post.
